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Theme and setting are both terms that get thrown around a lot in board game discussions – often as synonyms. But are they actually the same thing? If not… what makes them different?
This week on the show Evan, Robert and Steve are all diving into the weird and wonderful world of Theme VS Setting!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
An Infamous Traffic - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/206490/an-infamous-traffic
Beowulf: The Movie Board Game - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/29308/beowulf-the-movie-board-game
Chess - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/171/chess
Chinatown - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/47/chinatown
Cosmolancer - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/119/cosmolancer
Decrypto - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/225694/decrypto
Galactic Renaissance - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/365526/galactic-renaissance
Great Plains - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/330036/great-plains
Halls of Hegra - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/336131/halls-of-hegra
Heaven & Ale - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/227789/heaven-and-ale
Imperium: Horizons - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/367518/imperium-horizons
John Company Second Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/332686/john-company-second-edition
Lisboa - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/161533/lisboa
Modern Art - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/118/modern-art
Mombasa - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/172386/mombasa
Municipium - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/29410/municipium
On Mars - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/184267/on-mars
Pax Pamir - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/256960/pax-pamir-second-edition
Root - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237182/root
Samurai - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3/samurai
SILOS - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/429765/silos
Skymines - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/359438/skymines
Star Trek: Captain’s Chair - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/422541/star-trek-captains-chair
Tatari - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/368554/tatari
The Defence of Procyon III - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/267244/the-defence-of-procyon-iii
Through The Desert - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/503/through-the-desert
Trendy - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1412/trendy
Veiled Fate - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/315695/veiled-fate
Waterfall Park - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/396618/waterfall-park
How far is too far in board gaming? No, I don’t mean collection size… and no, I don’t mean how far would you travel to play one… I mean subject matter!
How far is too far? Is there a too far? Is there anything fully off limits for publishers or players?
This week on the show, Evan, Robert and Steve try to find out!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Alice Is Missing - https://rpggeek.com/rpgitem/311654/alice-is-missing
An Infamous Traffic - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/206490/an-infamous-traffic
The Cost - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/292894/the-cost
Heading Forward - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/363538/heading-forward
Hegemony: Lead Your Class To Victory - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/321608/hegemony-lead-your-class-to-victory
I Guess This Is It - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/346911/i-guess-this-is-it
Mombasa - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/172386/mombasa
Pax Pamir: Second Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/256960/pax-pamir-second-edition
Secret Hitler - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/188834/secret-hitler
Skymines - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/359438/skymines
Tinner’s Trail - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/35570/tinners-trail
In a rare continuation on the previous week’s topic – this week we’re talking immersion!
But what is immersion in a game? Is it a Scrooge McDuck style dive into a swimming pool of board games? Or is it something more design based? More player based? I’m sure curious to know what Robert, Evan and Steve dredge up from the depths of philosophy on this one!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Blood On The Clocktower - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/240980/blood-on-the-clocktower
Captain Sonar - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/171131/captain-sonar
Checkers - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2083/checkers
Decrypto - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/225694/decrypto
Gussy Gorillas - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/335864/gussy-gorillas
High Society - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/220/high-society
Just One - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/254640/just-one
Monikers - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/156546/monikers
Ra - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12/ra
Shuffle & Swing - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/414350/shuffle-and-swing
Sky Team - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/373106/sky-team
That’s Not A Hat - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/375651/thats-not-a-hat
Twilight Imperium - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/233078/twilight-imperium-fourth-edition
Wavelength - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/262543/wavelength
Werewolf - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/925/werewolf
Wilmot’s Warehouse - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/424975/wilmot-s-warehouse
Books, movies, TV shows, slam poetry, art – there are a lot of artistic mediums out there; but what makes board games unique among the lot?
Are they better geared to a specific type of storytelling? Or are they bad for story telling full stop?
This week on the show, the dynamic trio of Steven, Robert and Evan endeavor to find out!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Age of Steam - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4098/age-of-steam
A Gest of Robin Hood - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/338376/a-gest-of-robin-hood
Botswana - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/398/wildlife-safari
Brass: Lancashire - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/355093/woodcraft
Byzantium - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/19348/byzantium
Cards Against Humanity - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/50381/cards-against-humanity
Checkers - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2083/checkers
John Company: Second Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/332686/john-company-second-edition
Kanban EV - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/284378/kanban-ev
Modern Art - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/118/modern-art
Power Grid - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2651/power-grid
Secret Hitler - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/188834/secret-hitler
Sekigahara: The Unification of Japan - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25021/sekigahara-the-unification-of-japan
The Cost - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/292894/the-cost
Tinner’s Trail - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/321277/tinners-trail
Woodcraft - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/355093/woodcraft
“I just can’t wait to be king!” We all know that catchy musical number from the hit 1994 musical “The Lion King.” But Simba wasn’t able to become king on his own. It took a bit of king making from his evil uncle Scar.
Just like the Disney animated classic; board games have king making too (just usually less inspired by Hamlet). How do designers leverage king making? Is it a feature of a design or more of a bug?
This week on the show, the dynamic trio of Steven, Robert and Evan endeavor to find out!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Bohnanza - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11/bohnanza
Botswana - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/398/wildlife-safari
Chess - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/171/chess
Cole Wehrle: In Defense of King Making - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UraJElx1ebg
Cosmic Encounter - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/39463/cosmic-encounter
Inis - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/155821/inis
Oath - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/291572/oath
Root - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237182/root
Secret Hitler - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/188834/secret-hitler
Terra Mystica - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/120677/terra-mystica
Twilight Imperium: 4th Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12333/twilight-struggle
Zoo Vadis - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/368061/zoo-vadis
In board gaming, collections can range anywhere from 1 to 1001 (anything after 1001 will cause an explosion). With such a wide swath of options there has to be a perfect number, right? A “goldilocks zone” if you will?
Today on the show Robert, Evan and Steve endeavor to find out!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Abomination - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/239472/abomination-the-heir-of-frankenstein
Art Robbery - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/341935/art-robbery
Azul - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/230802/azul
Barrage - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/251247/barrage
Bullet - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/307305/bullet-love
Carpe Diem - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/245934/carpe-diem
Castles of Burgundy - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/271320/the-castles-of-burgundy
Genial Spezial - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/40830/genial-spezial
Great Western Trail - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/193738/great-western-trail
Haggis - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/37628/haggis
Hot Lead - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/339924/hot-lead
Iliad - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/420914/iliad
Inis - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/155821/inis
Imperial Steam - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/338760/imperial-steam
John Company - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/332686/john-company-second-edition
Kanban Ev - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/284378/kanban-ev
Kingdoms - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/119/kingdoms
Knights of Charlemange (Hungry) - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/182/hungry
La Havre - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/35677/le-havre
London - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/65781/london
Monikers - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/156546/monikers
On Mars - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/184267/on-mars
Quacks of Quedlinburg - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/244521/the-quacks-of-quedlinburg
Ra - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12/ra
Renature - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/300001/renature
Root - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237182/root
Sea Salt & Paper - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/367220/sea-salt-and-paper
Shamans - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/313262/shamans
Take The A Chord - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/174975/take-the-a-chord
The Great Zimbabwe - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/111341/the-great-zimbabwe
Tower of Babel - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/15510/tower-of-babel
Twilight Imperium: Forth Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/233078/twilight-imperium-fourth-edition
Two Rooms & A Boom - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/134352/two-rooms-and-a-boom
Perhaps it’s Evan’s Irish heritage or the secret ancient amulet beneath the studio, but we’re big fans of luck at Cardboard Philosophy. We’ve talked a lot about it over the last year too!
We’ve talked about how the luck can feel and how it’s generated. This week, we’re talking about both of those things as well as why it’s used the way it is by designers! I know, don’t even say it.
We’re just really lucky.
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Amsterdam - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/314582/amsterdam
Ankh: Gods of Egypt - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/285967/ankh-gods-of-egypt
Ark Nova - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/342942/ark-nova
Bora Bora - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/127060/bora-bora
Captain Flip - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/393325/captain-flip
Castles of Burgundy - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/84876/the-castles-of-burgundy
Chess - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/171/chess
High Society - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/220/high-society
Kemet - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/127023/kemet
Libertalia - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/125618/libertalia
Mega Jackpot - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/419262/mega-jackpot
MLEM: Space Agency - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/387378/mlem-space-agency
Ra - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12/ra
Rapido - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/357/excape
Rising Sun - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/205896/rising-sun
Root - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237182/root
Shipyard - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/393179/shipyard-2nd-edition
Terraforming Mars - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/167791/terraforming-mars
Thunder Road: Vendetta - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/342070/thunder-road-vendetta
Tic-Tac-Toe - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11901/tic-tac-toe
Twilight Imperium: 4th Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/233078/twilight-imperium-fourth-edition
Wingspan - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/266192/wingspan
Xia: Legends of A Drift System - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/82222/xia-legends-of-a-drift-system
There ain’t no party like a board game party!
But board games to take to the party? There is a whole world of party games, but where is the line between “game” and “party game?” Never ones to back down from a challenge, our brave hosts Evan, Robert and Steve endeavor to find out!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
A Fake Artist Goes To New York - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/135779/a-fake-artist-goes-to-new-york
A Feast For Odin - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/177736/a-feast-for-odin
Apples to Apples - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/74/apples-to-apples
Blood On The Clocktower - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/240980/blood-on-the-clocktower
Captain Sonar - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/171131/captain-sonar
Cards Against Humanity - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/50381/cards-against-humanity
Chess - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/171/chess
Cockroach Poker - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11971/cockroach-poker
Codenames - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/178900/codenames
Concept - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/147151/concept
Decrypto - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/225694/decrypto
Don’t Get Got! - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/262547/dont-get-got
Doodle Dash - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/334379/doodle-dash
The Fuzzies - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/314421/the-fuzzies
Jenga - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2452/jenga
Junk Art - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/193042/junk-art
Just One - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/254640/just-one
Medici - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/46/medici
Monikers - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/156546/monikers
Pictionary - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2281/pictionary
Pitchcar - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/150/pitchcar
Poetry for Neanderthals - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/312786/poetry-for-neanderthals
Power Grid - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2651/power-grid
Rapido (Escape) - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/357/excape
Ricochet Robots - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/51/ricochet-robots
Skull - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/92415/skull
So Clover! - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/329839/so-clover
Stationfall – https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/316624/stationfall
Strike! - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/123570/strike
Sushi Go Party! - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/192291/sushi-go-party
Telestrations - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/46213/telestrations
That’s Not A Hat - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/375651/thats-not-a-hat
Trio - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/352515/trio
Twilight Imperium: Fourth Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/233078/twilight-imperium-fourth-edition
Uno - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2223/uno
Wandering Towers - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/355483/wandering-towers
Zoo Vadis - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/368061/zoo-vadis
Every game is a chance for a designer to pull another trick out of their sleeve. But for a lot of designers, that new trick can often feel like the same trick with a new coat of paint.
Not to say that’s a bad thing, it’s one of the things that keep us coming back for more! But what are some of these tricks? How do designers keep them fresh? Why do we like them so?
This week Evan, Steve, Robert and special guest Aaron discuss just that!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Age of Innovation - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/383179/age-of-innovation
Agricola - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/31260/agricola
Airlines - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/193488/airlines
Arrakis: Dawn of the Fremen - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/358263/arrakis-dawn-of-the-fremen
Bitoku - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/323612/bitoku
Bohnanza - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11/bohnanza
Brass: Lancashire - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/28720/brass-lancashire
Bunny Kingdom - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/184921/bunny-kingdom
Cat Blues - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/414351/cat-blues-the-big-gig
Caverna - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/102794/caverna-the-cave-farmers
Cosmic Encounter - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/39463/cosmic-encounter
Decrypto - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/225694/decrypto
Dune/REX - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/104363/rex-final-days-of-an-empire
Elfenland - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/10/elfenland
Feast for Odin - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/177736/a-feast-for-odin
Fields of Arle - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/159675/fields-of-arle
Food Chain Magnate - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/175914/food-chain-magnate
Fractured Sky - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/370581/fractured-sky
Gaia Project - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/220308/gaia-project
The Gallerist - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/125153/the-gallerist
Heaven & Ale - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/227789/heaven-and-ale
High Society - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/220/high-society
Inventions: Evolution of Ideas - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/347305/inventions-evolution-of-ideas
King of Tokyo - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/70323/king-of-tokyo
Klunker - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/102/klunker
Le Havre - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/35677/le-havre
Magic: The Gathering - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/463/magic-the-gathering
Medici - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/46/medici
Modern Art - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/118/modern-art
Money - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/125/money
Moonrakers - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/270239/moonrakers
Palaces of Carrara - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/129948/the-palaces-of-carrara
Paris - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/282954/paris
Princes of Florence - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/555/the-princes-of-florence
Ra - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12/ra
RoboRally - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/18/roborally
Root - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237182/root
Schotten Totten - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/372/schotten-totten
Sky Team - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/373106/sky-team
Terra Mystica - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/120677/terra-mystica
Terra Nova - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/364186/terra-nova
Ticket to ride - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/9209/ticket-to-ride
Tigris & Euphrates - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/42/tigris-and-euphrates
Turing Machine - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/356123/turing-machine
Veiled Fate - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/315695/veiled-fate
Via Nebula - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/191231/via-nebula
Weather Machine - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237179/weather-machine
Yellow & Yangtze - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/244114/yellow-and-yangtze
If it’s been a while since you’ve listened, you may need to catch up on past episodes! That can be a bit time consuming, but worth it if you like the show.
If it’s been a while you’ve been in first place… well… that can be challenging to fix!
Catching up in games can be like climbing a mountain, but designers have catch up mechanics up their sleeves to help. But are these mechanics necessary? Do they help build skill or just make the bad players win? This week on the show, Evan, Steve & Robert dive into all things catch up!
Want to ask a question or give us your two cents about the state of euros? Hit us up at [email protected]!
Cites and Sources
Age of Steam - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4098/age-of-steam
Barrage - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/251247/barrage
Blood on the Clocktower - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/240980/blood-on-the-clocktower
Flamme Rouge - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/199478/flamme-rouge
Fractured Sky - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/370581/fractured-sky
Gang of Dice - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/366129/gang-of-dice
Heat: Pedal To The Metal - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/366013/heat-pedal-to-the-metal
Hearts - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6887/hearts
High Score - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/341416/high-score
Long Shot: The Dice Game - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/295374/long-shot-the-dice-game
Mario Kart - https://mariokart8.nintendo.com/
Orongo - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/165556/orongo
Pax Pamir: Second Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/256960/pax-pamir-second-edition
Ra - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12/ra
Radlands - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/329082/radlands
Rapido (Escape) - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/357/excape
Root - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/237182/root
Sea Salt & Paper - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/367220/sea-salt-and-paper
Taj Mahal - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/475/taj-mahal
Twilight Imperium: Forth Edition - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/233078/twilight-imperium-fourth-edition
Wavelength - https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/262543/wavelength
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