The tables have turned. This week, our host Carina Waye takes the guest chair, and Kismet CEO Mark Woodland takes the mic.

It turns out Carina has quite the story. Musical theatre degree, rejection from WAAPA at 18, Channel 10, New York, Jim Henson's carriage house, catering for billionaires in the Hamptons, and then coming home during COVID to start fresh in tech with zero experience and a very aggressive LinkedIn strategy.

They also get into goals, luck, gratitude, other people's fear and the five-year plan she was nervous to say out loud.

Plus conspiracy theories, obviously.

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