Liz and Leslie discuss the Carl Jung quote, “There is no coming to consciousness without pain.”

We talk about past lives, the nature of pain, the reality of too much pain, beauty, polarity, oneness…and liberation.

And, of course, HEAT. (Next public game is Monday, March 24, at 5 p.m. EST).

It’s another beaut of a deep-dive conversation. Enjoy!

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