In this episode, we interview Carrie Mallon and Annie Ruygt, co-creators of the best selling Spacious Tarot deck. In a time before Covid, a designer/book illustrator and an experienced tarot reader joined forces remotely from their respective homes in New York and Utah. Little did they know that their online collaboration would blossom into a lifelong business partnership and birth of one of the most lauded indie Tarot decks to date.

In something they described as an almost telepathic working relationship, Carrie and Annie collaborated to create an expansive and modern reinterpretation of traditional tarot. With illustrations often done from a first person perspective, The Spacious Tarot literally holds space by drawing the user in and allowing her to occupy an alternate world.

In our conversation, Carrie, Annie, Kate and I talk about the creative process behind the Spacious Tarot, magical realism and world building, the meaning behind evolutionary tarot and how sometimes life is best lived when you slow down.

www.kismetberlin.com / @kismetberlin

www.thespacioustarot.com / @thespacioustarot

Carrie Mallon's Website

Annie Ruygt's Website

Music by Tobu Song is Sapphire