This week, Ann and Matt are joined by Julia Toal for a real, grounded conversation about the weight of life, current events, the emotional load we all carry, and how it shows up for both therapists and clients. Together, they explore the creative tools they lean on in sessions and in their own lives to process, regulate, and stay connected when things feel overwhelming.

And because no conversation is complete without a little unexpected turn… they somehow find themselves diving into The NeverEnding Story and Disney princess psychology....

It’s thoughtful, honest, a little nostalgic, and very much real life as therapists navigating a heavy world while still finding space for creativity, humor, and meaning.