Have you ever been captivated by a criminal mastermind, only to find out their story was woven from lies? Join me as I sit down with Javier Leiva of the Pretend Podcast to peel away the layers of Frank Abagnale Jr.'s life, a story made famous by Spielberg's Catch Me If You Can.  We grapple with the complex emotions of discovering that a tale we've rooted for might be a fabrication. Javier, who has faced Abagnale himself, shares his insight into the thrill of unmasking impostors, enveloping us in the enthralling world of those who deceive for a living.

Notey Notes:

Alan Logan’s Book

Pretend Podcast

Javier confronts Frank Abagnale Jr.

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