Whether Donald Trump wins his reelection or Joe Biden defeats him in November, there will be a time when America moves on from Donald Trump as president. In this segment on "Catching Up", Alex discusses his long articulated thesis that in some ways Donald Trump was a necessary evil to bring all the negative aspects of America to the surface. Alex, a Trump critic, finds that the silver lining of Trump is that he may force America to have the conversation that it keeps denying itself. He uses a metaphor involving the day after a brutal hangover, in order to talk about how Trump brought to the surface all the rage and bile that everyone was feeling. It seems like America had been in denial about their problem for a long time, and "sometimes it takes a bad hangover to realize that you need to drink less."