Kelly Cardin and I have been friends, co-workers and rabble rousers for over 20 years. We've fought, played hockey, built some things, and watched our kids grow up all while trying our best to stay true to that stubborn creative streak that can drive those around us up the wall. For two hours, we talked all things fire service, hockey, bbq and the wild stories in between. Enjoy a long form show between two old friends who still enjoy each other's company.