Cate Quinn precedes her brand new novel by telling us: "This is the first book I've written sober." From her brilliant mind comes THE CLINIC - a novel about a high end rehab center with dark secrets inside. It's told from the perspective of Meg, a casino security guard, who thinks her sister has died in the rehab and Cara, who's poached to run the centre. It's terrific.

In this Episode, Cate tells Phil and Natalie about utilising her own experiences in rehab for this novel; why the people that run rehabs are way scarier to Cate than the addicts in treatment and why she's a World Champion at Thumb Wars...!

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