Carol and Travis are joined by Catherine Kontos to discuss her book, her battle with cancer, and operating Retreat Boss. They discuss having her Facebook account banned, developing breast cancer, starting anew at age 40, and learning to stop caring what other people think.

Catherine discusses how to deal with someone making a disparaging statement about you and how to grieve when a piece of your identity is lost. She also discusses launching her company, Retreat Boss.

{You can hear the full episode on Thursday, December 29th}