Chris Arnade writes the Substack ‘Chris Arnade Walks the World,’ which chronicle his wanderings as he literally walks and walks and walks all over the world. He is the author and photographer for the book Dignity: Seeking Respect in Back Row America. Chris and I discuss the value of getting out of your physical and intellectual bubble, loyalty to your restaurant and bar, the McDonald’s test, and why America’s forgotten people would support a New York real estate tycoon and reality TV star for president. I will note, this interview was recorded prior to the Trump assassination attempt and President Biden’s withdrawal from the race. All that said, this episode is not about partisan politics.

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