The United States and Saudi Arabia are very close allies. But why? Is it about oil, terrorism, Iran, or what? What do the two countries see in each other? Hilde talks to Thomas Hegghammer, a renowned expert on Saudi politics and Islamist extremism. Come for the world-class expertise, stay for Thomas' favorite color and his take on why it is slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi could not have foreseen what was about to happen to him.