The power went out while Dr. Lee was teaching about Peter taking his eyes off Jesus in the storm.

At first, she thought she had lost the ending of the training.

Then the interruption became part of the lesson.

In this continuation of Episode 28, Dr. Lee moves from the external storm in Matthew 14 to the internal work God is doing while we are in it.

She explores the difference between knowing God’s Word and embodying His wisdom, the meaning of Peter’s “little faith,” the danger of double-mindedness, and what mature faith looks like when leaders are afraid.

The goal is not to become someone who never doubts.

The goal is to catch the doubt quickly, call out to Jesus, receive His hand, and keep walking.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn:

• Why seeing God provide for someone else does not automatically mean we know how to trust Him in our own storm.
• The difference between memorizing Scripture, understanding its context, and embodying its wisdom in real decisions.
• Why “little faith” in Matthew 14 can mean short faith — faith that begins boldly but does not yet last when the wind gets loud.
• How distazo, the word translated as “doubt,” describes being divided between what Jesus says and what the wind says.
• Why mature faith is not self-sufficiency, certainty, or never needing help from God or other people.
• How an unexpected power outage, 33 journals, and more than 40 hours of reflection became a clearing for Dr. Lee’s writing, speaking, and deeper relationship with God.

Key Moments

00:00 — Welcome to Part 2 Dr. Lee explains that listeners can begin here, then recaps Part 1 and introduces James 1:2–8.

01:04 — The external storm and the internal work The disciples’ storm becomes a picture of what God forms inside us while we are under pressure.

03:42 — Knowing God’s Word is preparation Dr. Lee explains why mature faith becomes visible when wisdom moves from information into lived experience.

07:27 — When the power went out The interruption mirrors the teaching and creates an unexpected moment of surrender.

10:55 — Peter sinks and cries out The episode revisits oligopistos, “little faith,” and distazo, double-mindedness.

13:12 — What spiritual maturity really means Maturity is not about age, education, or knowing every answer. It is about surrender, obedience, relationship, and embodied wisdom.

16:48 — The peanut-butter-and-jelly test Dr. Lee uses a familiar teaching exercise to explain why doing something and teaching someone else to do it reveal different levels of understanding.

23:15 — Faith has depths and stages Peter’s story becomes a compassionate picture of ordinary people learning to trust God personally.

29:21 — When we forget the Law Dr. Lee connects James 1 with Joshua 1:8–9 and Jeremiah 31:33, where God’s instruction moves from the page to the heart.

33:05 — The same storm, a different response Dr. Lee reflects on facing a familiar storm with more wisdom because she had learned how to call on God.

37:00 — Will you embody what you know? The teaching moves into leadership, obedience, boundaries, rest, contracts, offers, writing, speaking, and the next faithful step.

42:57 — The clearing in the darkness Dr. Lee shares how the lost ending became the space where God gave her language for what He was forming.

46:13 — Turning away and finding her way back She speaks honestly about New Age practices, false gods, losing the fruits of the Spirit, and returning to Jesus.

54:19 — Maturity is not self-sufficiency Dr. Lee reframes maturity as knowing where to go when you are afraid, confused, or sinking.

01:02:18 — The August vision and the lesson she missed Dr. Lee shares what she heard about August, what she assumed it meant, and what God actually wanted her to learn.

01:04:44 — Do not become so wise that you become foolish The episode closes with humility, mystery, and the reminder that we never outgrow our need for Jesus.

01:08:32 — Introducing High Responsibility Humans Dr. Lee announces the new online community for Christian leaders who want to embody wisdom and mature in their faith.

Quotes from the Episode

• “The goal is not to be able to never doubt. The goal is to be able to catch the doubt as quickly as possible before you start sinking and reach for Jesus.”
• “Maturity comes not just from understanding things abstractly, and it also doesn’t come from witnessing things. It comes from personally experiencing things and embodying wisdom so that it becomes second nature.”
•  “Information is what’s going to help prepare you to leave the boat. It cannot do the walking for you.”
• “Maturity is not self-sufficiency. It’s knowing where to go when you realize you’re scared.”
• “God did not give me what I wanted. He gave me what I needed.”
•  “If your eyes are fixed on Jesus, then it doesn’t matter where you’re going. It doesn’t matter when things work out. It doesn’t matter how long things take.”

Scriptural Focus

• James 1:2–8 — trials, steadfastness, wisdom, and double-mindedness
• Matthew 14:22–33 — Peter walks on water, sinks, and is immediately caught by Jesus
• Joshua 1:8–9 — meditate on God’s instruction and walk forward with courage
• Jeremiah 31:33 — God writes His law on the heart

High Responsibility Humans Community

This episode introduces High Responsibility Humans™, an online community for Christian leaders who want to move beyond merely knowing the right thing and learn to embody wisdom in the way they lead, build, decide, rest, and respond under pressure.

The community is for people who carry a lot — teams, clients, patients, businesses, families, ministries, and the expectations of everyone who depends on them.

You can become a founding member HERE .

Before joining, take the invitation back to God and ask the Holy Spirit whether this is the space where He is calling you to grow.

Continue the Conversation

If you have not listened to Episode 28, Part 1, go back and hear **The Fourth Watch: When the Storm Takes Longer Than You Expected**. Part 1 establishes the external storm in Matthew 14. This episode explores what God forms inside of us while we are there.

#CEOKingdomSeekers #ChristianLeadership #MatureFaith #James1 #FaithInTheStorm #BiblicalWisdom #ChristianEntrepreneur #HighResponsibilityHumans

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

This was originally a live Regulated Roots Academy training.

Right as Dr. Lee reached the final section, the power went out in the middle of a severe morning storm. She kept teaching in the dark until the connection failed. The interruption became part of the lesson.

In Part 1 of this two-part teaching, Dr. Lee walks through Matthew 14:22–33 and the storm that came after Jesus fed the five thousand.

She explores what it means when Jesus sees us struggling but does not immediately remove the storm, why fear can make us misidentify help as a threat, and what Peter’s “little faith” actually means.

If you have been rowing through a business, leadership, or personal storm longer than you thought you should have to, this episode is for you.

Part 2 is coming next.

Dr. Lee will continue the conversation on James 1, double-mindedness, asking God for wisdom in the storm, and what she learned after the lights went out. She will also share a new offering for people carrying a LOT of responsibility: the High Responsibility Humans Community.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn:

• Why the fourth watch matters. The disciples had spent six or more hours rowing through a crossing that should have taken two or three — and several of them were skilled fishermen who knew this storm was serious.
• What Jesus was doing on the mountain. He saw the disciples struggling, prayed, waited, and came to them in the darkness. His delay was not absence.

Why leaders need solitude too. Jesus made space to grieve the death of John the Baptist after caring for everyone else. Dr. Lee connects that to the leaders who care for everyone but do not make room to feel their own grief.

• How fear can turn help into a “ghost." When Jesus came walking toward the disciples, they did not recognize Him. In exhaustion and fear, they assumed the thing approaching them was there to harm them.
• What “little faith” means in Peter’s story. Peter had faith enough to step out of the boat. The issue was not that his faith was too small. It was that it did not last when the wind grew loud.
• Why doubt is more than a question. The Greek word distazo describes double-mindedness: trying to hold Jesus’ voice and the wind’s voice at the same time.

Key Quotes:

•  “You thought you were going to be further along by now. You thought that the crossing would only take two hours. It has been three-plus times as long as you thought that this was going to take, and you are exhausted.”
• “I’m not praying for Him to take me out of this storm. I’m praying for Him to come to me in this storm.”
• “The very thing they’re praying for...when He shows up, they react out of terror.”
• “Peter didn’t have a small faith. He had a short faith.”
•  “The storm stops being out here and it starts being in here.”

Reflection Questions:

1. Where have you been rowing longer than you expected — in your business, leadership, health, family, or calling?
2. Is there an unexpected change, closed door, person, or opportunity you have been calling a “ghost” that may deserve a more curious look?
3. When the wind gets loud, what helps you return your focus to Jesus rather than trying to calculate every wave?

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

Chantell Cooley was in her mid-thirties when her father died. 

At the time, the online university she helped build had nearly 7,000 students (a fraction of the people who'd end up being served.)

And in that season, she saw a worn bomber jacket come down from heaven.

It was too big.

Chantell understood it as a mantle — full of the assignments and abilities God had placed on her life. And she learned something that changed the way she leads: the mantle will not shrink. You have to grow into it.

Today, Chantell is a faith-based leader, spiritual mentor, and former co-founder of Columbia Southern University, which grew into one of the country’s largest online universities. In this conversation, she and Dr. Lee talk about what it means to carry the Kingdom into the marketplace without forcing faith on people, own the gifts God gave you without false humility, and keep taking the next step when transition feels too big.

If you have been wondering whether you can really fit the calling in front of you — or whether it will fit you — this conversation is for you.

In This Episode, Listeners Will Learn:

• Why the marketplace is ministry — how Christian leaders can bring the church with them through the way they treat people, build culture, and lead under pressure.
• What a mantle means for a business leader — how Chantell understands it as the unique collection of assignments, abilities, grace, and authority God has given you.
• Why false humility keeps leaders stuck — and how to own what you are good at without confusing confidence with arrogance.
• How to discern God’s voice in a real decision — why Scripture, wise mentors, ongoing relationship with God, and a willingness to realign matter more than legalistic formulas.
• What transition is actually for — why it is not a place to live, but a space to walk through one foot at a time.
• Why every great assignment is not yours — and how saying no to the wrong opportunity protects your soul and makes room for the one God actually gave you.

Key Quotes:

• “The mantle will not shrink. You have to grow.” 
• “The mantle gets exposed when you start having the language for what you’re good at.” 
• “Not every assignment that’s great is ours.” — Chantell Cooley

Connect with Chantell Cooley:

• Website: chantellcooley.com
• Instagram: @chantellcooley
• Books and mentorship information: available through her website and Instagram bio

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

There is a version of your calling that everyone around you is comfortable with. 

It is smaller than what God actually asked you to do. 

It is quieter. It is safer. It does not ruffle feathers. 

And the enemy will use every person in your life — including the ones who love you most — to keep you in that smaller version.

In this week's Regulated Roots Training, Dr. Lee talks about what it actually costs to carry a divine assignment. 

Owning the price you're going to have to pay of being misunderstood, misjudged, and misread by people who matter to you — and doing it anyway.

She walks through the difference between people-pleasing and humility, why being misunderstood is not evidence that you are off track, and how to tell the difference between God's correction and the enemy's accusation. 

And she does it while navigating real-time criticism in the comments, proving that the battle is not just theoretical — it is happening right now.

In This Episode, Listeners Will Learn:

• The People-Pleasing Trap — why people-pleasing is not a personality quirk, but a spiritual problem that looks like humility but is actually disobedience.
• The Two Kinds of Misunderstanding — how to tell the difference between poor communication that needs to be fixed, and the inevitable friction of carrying an assignment the world was never going to understand.
• The "Seen vs. Unseen" Reality — why the loudest critics are often a distraction from the quiet, unseen impact your obedience is having on the people who are too afraid to speak up.
• The Danger of Partial Obedience — why softening your message, delaying your launch, or waiting for permission from people who were never meant to give it is actually disobedience.
• The Identity Anchor — why the willingness to be misunderstood flows from knowing whose you are (Isaiah 43:1), not from discipline or mindset work.

Key Quotes:

• "Your calling from God was not a conference call. Other people didn't hear it, and other people don't understand it to the level that you do."
• "People-pleasing is not a personality quirk. It is a spiritual problem. It is a decision to let the opinion of people carry more weight than the voice of God."
• "If the world understands you perfectly and loves everything you're doing, that's a warning sign."
• "God knew that you were gonna be misunderstood, and He called you anyway."

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

Kurt Bush spent years in pastoral ministry, including launching a second campus of a church on January 1st of 2020 (If you know what happened in 2020, you can probably guess how that went!)

What he found in that season was that his actual gift — the thing God had wired him to do — was not running an organization. 

It was coaching leaders through the hardest moments of their careers. Helping them name what was going on inside so they could still lead well even when everything around them was on fire.

And when the culture he had built was finally healthy enough to run without him, he made the decision to step away. Not because anything went wrong. Because his work there was done.

In this conversation, Dr. Lee and Kurt talk about what it looks like to leave something good — and how to hold the grief of that alongside the clarity of knowing you are walking into what God actually called you to. They talk about the beach ball, the exiles in the basement, why two things can be true at the same time, and why most of us resist that with everything we have.

In This Episode, You'll Learn:

• The difference between building culture and driving forward — why the skills that get an organization through a crisis are not always the skills needed for the next season.
• The grief of a good departure — how to step away from a role you love when you know your work there is done, even when people don't understand.
• The Beach Ball Analogy — why trying to hold your stress, anger, or sadness underwater always ends with it exploding to the surface, and how to let it up gently.
• The Exiles in the Basement — how we lock away the parts of ourselves we think are unacceptable, and what happens when we finally invite them upstairs for a glass of lemonade.
• Why we resist "Two Things Are True" — the hidden pride in wanting absolute certainty, and how curiosity requires us to stop playing God.
• The "Where are you?" reframe — looking at God's question to Adam and Eve not as an accusation of shame, but as a gentle invitation to come out of hiding.

Key Quotes:

• "There is something beautiful about being able to say, 'My work here is done. And now, if I hang on, it's going to make things worse.'" — Kurt Bush
• "Sometimes the most loving, kind, aligned thing is to step away." — Dr. Lee Cordell
• "If two things are true, it makes it a lot harder to play God. If two things are true, then I can't just decide how this is and cast off the rest." — Dr. Lee Cordell
• "Nobody wakes up and says, 'I want to have a catastrophic life failure today.' That's the beach ball coming out." — Kurt Bush
• "When the parts can sit on the couch and have a lemonade, now I know what 'Comforter' means." — Kurt Bush

Resources Mentioned:

• Healing What's Within by Chuck DeGroat
• I Shouldn't Feel This Way and Boundaries for the Soul by Dr. Alison Cook

Connect with Kurt Bush:

• Website: brimstonecoachinggroup.com
• Podcast: Live Fully, Lead Authentically

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

Dr. Lee  did not plan to teach this one the way it came out.

She had an outline. She had a whole different direction. And then for the few days beforehand the enemy got LOUD. 

She woke up at 12:30 AM unable to sleep, and she knew exactly what was going on.

The more you step into operating in your spiritual gifts, the more the enemy is going to come after you. Not because you are doing something wrong. Because you are doing something right.

In this week's training, Dr. Lee scrapped the outline and went straight to the teaching she believes is one of the most important she carries: the difference between knowing your spiritual gifts and actually being rooted in them.

She walks through all seven of the motivational gifts St. Paul outlines in Romans 12:6–8 — what each one looks like when it is developed, when it is distorted, and when it is suppressed. And she shares the exact attack the enemy uses against the gift you are most called to operate in.

In This Training, Listeners Will Learn:

• Why operating in your spiritual gifts will irritate the devil — and why that is actually a sign you are on the right track.
• The difference between a gift that is developed, divinely directed, distorted, or diminished — and how to identify which one is at work.
• The Architect vs. Craftsman framework — how the seven gifts break into two profiles and one connecting gift, and what that means for how leaders build and operate.
• A breakdown of all seven motivational gifts: the Judge, the Professor, the Coach, the Consoler, the Steward, the Taskmaster, and the CEO gift.
• Why the enemy targets leaders most in the area of their primary gift — and why our gifts are designed for others, not for ourselves.
• The prayer for each gift — what it looks like to surrender your primary gift back to God and let Him be the source.

Key Quotes:

• "You operating in your gifts is gonna irritate the devil. Plain and simple."
• "Your gifts are for other people. When you operate from that primary gift and go help others, those are for other people — they're not for you."
• "In order to get peace that surpasses understanding, you have to be willing to not understand."
• "He is the source, and we are the resource."
• "I have yet to meet someone who does not struggle personally in the area in which they are most gifted. This is how the enemy gets us best."

Resources Mentioned:

Grow In Your Gifts Masterclass — live inside Regulated Roots Academy starting July 1st

Anchor Verse: Romans 12:6–8 — "We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us."

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

On the morning of September 11, 2001, Jeff Kruszyna was a computer science undergrad at Stony Brook University, 45 minutes from Manhattan. He was on track for a lucrative career in big tech. But watching the second plane hit the tower changed something inside of him. He switched his major to political science and never looked back.

Today, Jeff is the CEO of JMK Victory, a direct response marketing agency specializing in conservative political fundraising. Over the past 20 years, he has helped campaigns and organizations raise over $100 million—and he has done it largely through a channel most marketers have written off: direct mail.

In this conversation, Dr. Lee and Jeff talk about why "what's old is new again" in marketing, how direct mail bypasses the algorithms and censorship of big tech, and why the novelty of physical mail is capturing younger generations. They also dive into the tension of being a Christian in the political sphere, the danger of "mission drift," and why saying no to the wrong clients is the only way to protect your calling.

In This Episode, You'll Learn:

• The 9/11 Pivot — how a national tragedy redirected Jeff's career from computer science to the patriot economy.
• Why Direct Mail is Appointment Viewing — how physical mail bypasses digital clutter, spam folders, and big tech censorship.
• The Science of Snail Mail — why the color of the paper, the choice of stamp, and writing at a 6th-grade level matter more than you think.
• The 2% Rule — the battle-tested strategy for donor acquisition and why a 98% rejection rate is actually a success.
• Navigating the Gray Areas — how to vet clients, maintain integrity in a cutthroat industry, and avoid the slow fade of mission drift.
• Faith in the Marketplace — why running a business on biblical principles might be the only testimony your employees or clients ever see.

Key Quotes:

• "If I don't believe it, I can't write a message that's compelling and emotional. If I wouldn't vote for you or personally give to an organization, it's going to be extremely hard for me to develop a program around it." — Jeff Kruszyna
• "It's not going to be something big that tempts me from shifting. It's going to be these tiny little allowances. And a month later you look up and you're like, 'Oh wow, we're not okay anymore.'" — Dr. Lee Cordell
• "The majority of Americans aren't going to church, but they're going to work. Seeing how you operate and lead through a biblical lens may be the only testimony somebody is going to see." — Jeff Kruszyna

Resources Mentioned:

• JMK Victory: jmkvictory.com
• Book a Strategy Session with Jeff: getjeffk.com

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

In this solo episode, Dr. Lee breaks down one of the most practical (and most overlooked) frameworks for building a sustainable business: the garden. 

She walks through what God actually designed work to look like, why the four seasons of the year are not just weather patterns but a blueprint for how to grow something that lasts, and what happens when we try to force fruit in a tending season.

This is the conversation Dr. Lee keeps having with agency clients and academy members who are working hard, doing the right things, and wondering why nothing is growing yet. If that is you right now, this episode is for you.

In This Episode, You'll Learn:

• Work was designed before the fall — why entrepreneurship is not a hustle culture invention but a God-given calling rooted in Genesis.
• The four stages of the garden — seed, soil, tending, and harvest — and how to identify which stage your business is actually in right now.
• Why tending is boring on purpose — and why most people quit in this season right before the growth starts.
• The two mistakes that kill businesses in years 5–10 — it is not a lack of fruit. It is a failure to prune.
• The vineyard timeline — how long it actually takes for a vineyard to produce good fruit, and what that means for your expectations.
• The three-part pruning framework — weeds (doubt, fear, expectations), good buds (opportunities that are not the right timing), and dead weight (what is no longer serving the mission).
• God's job vs. your job — the line most entrepreneurs keep crossing, and what it costs them when they do.
• Why 80-hour workweeks are not God's design — and what it looks like to honor the rest that He built into the natural order.

Resources Mentioned:

• Vineyard timeline article: https://cgtwines.com/learn/lifetime-of-a-vine/
• Primary Spiritual Gift Assessment: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Regulated Roots Academy (free 7-day trial): skool.com/regulatedrootsacademy

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

He was an MIT graduate who double-majored in math and physics. He earned his master's degree in theoretical mathematics. He graduated magna cum laude from law school. He drafted the first 401(k) plan in professional sports.

And for decades, Doug Ell was a convinced atheist.

He believed what he read in a high school textbook: that life started in a dirty pond by chance. He thought religion was for people who weren't smart enough to understand science.

Then, in his early 30s, he walked into a church to have his son baptized — mostly to avoid an argument with his wife. And he felt something. He sensed a peace and a joy he didn't have. But being an MIT guy, he told himself he had to find scientific evidence to believe in God.

That began a 30-year independent study, sifting through evidence the way only a trained scientist and lawyer can. And he arrived at a conviction that changed everything:

Science does not contradict God. It points directly to Him.

In this episode, Dr. Lee sits down with Doug Ell — author, attorney, and former atheist — to talk about the overwhelming scientific evidence for a Creator. They discuss the digital code of DNA, the mathematical impossibility of Darwinian evolution, and why the most dangerous myth of our modern age is the idea that science and faith are at odds.

If you are a faith-led entrepreneur who loves to understand how things work, or if you have ever felt intimidated by the scientific arguments against God, this conversation will give you the language and the confidence to stand firm in what you believe.

In This Episode, You'll Learn:

• The Code Requires a Coder: Why the 3.2 billion letters of digital code in human DNA is the most compelling evidence for an intelligent Creator.
• The Myth of the Dirty Pond: Why top biologists know Darwin's theory doesn't work — and why it is still taught anyway.
• Be Skeptical of Your Skepticism: Doug's challenge to intellectually sharp business leaders who are still feeling spiritually skeptical.
• The Fear of the Lord: Why respecting God's power and design is the actual beginning of wisdom — and how it opens the door to understanding.
• The J.K. Rowling Analogy: Why asking "Who created God?" is like Harry Potter trying to understand the author who wrote him.

Key Quotes:

• "Science totally reaffirms not only the existence of God, but the truth of the Bible."
• "If you find code, you know you're dealing with an intelligence. How can you have code without a coder?"
• "If you're a skeptic, be skeptical of your skepticism."

Connect with Doug Ell:

• Websites: thegodproofs.com | countingtogod.com
• Books: The God Proofs (Graphic Novel) | Counting to God

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell

It is 1:00 in the morning when Pat Welsh catches a call for a 12-year-old who came home late from school. He is annoyed — the bars are about to close, things are about to jump off, and he wants to be doing real police work. He talks to the kid for three minutes. Then he leaves.

Eighteen years later, that same kid finds him in a grocery store line and says: "I graduated from college, I'm married, I have two daughters, and I want to say thank you."

That is the kind of leader Pat Welsh is — and it is the kind of leader this episode will challenge you to become.

Now a retired police superintendent, lawyer, and founder of the Warrior Servant Leader platform. Pat spent 26 years on the Dayton Police Department — at its worst, the seventh most violent city in the United States. 

He has buried a son who died serving overseas in the military, watched his wife fight ovarian cancer, and led through the kind of chaos that would break most people.

In this conversation, Pat and Dr. Lee dig into what it actually means to lead from your identity in Christ — not from your title, your credentials, or the pressure of the role. 

They talk about the fourth stress response nobody teaches you, why studying scripture is different from reading it, and how your job does not define who you are — but who you are absolutely defines how you do your job.

This one is for every faith-led entrepreneur, executive, and leader who has ever felt the weight of high-stakes decisions and wondered if any of it is making a difference.

In This Episode, You'll Learn:

• The "Paul Harvey Moment": Why you will rarely get to hear the rest of the story — and why that means the reason you serve has to matter more than the outcome.
• Your Job Does Not Define You: How Pat walked away from a successful DA career at 28 to become a police officer — and what his story reveals about calling vs. credentials.
• The Fourth Stress Response: Beyond fight, flight, and freeze — the intentional, faith-rooted response that changes everything in high-pressure situations.
• Study It, Don't Just Read It: Why understanding the historical context of scripture — from the town of Philippi to the gate of Hades — transforms your faith from intellectual to lived.
• Jeremiah 1:5 as a Leadership Anchor: What it means to be consecrated before you were born — and how that truth holds when the trials are real.

Key Quotes:

• "Your job doesn't define who you are. Who you are should define how you do your job."
• "We are all consecrated for a specific purpose by God. Part of our journey is discovering what that is."
• "Success is somebody else's opinion about you."
• "If you can't be trusted to do the right things in the little things, what are you gonna do in the big Joab moments?"

Connect with Pat Welsh:

• Website & Podcast: thewarriorservantleaderpodcast.com
• Books: Warrior Servant Leader: Life Behind the Badge and Warrior Servant Leader: Life Behind the Cross

Connect with Dr. Lee, TLC, & the Regulated Roots Community:

• Discover your Primary Motivational Gift: www.growinyourgifts.com
• Join Our High Responsibility Humans Community: https://regulatedroots.com/hrh
• Explore our Agency services: regulatedroots.com/agency

Follow on TikTok: @leechelseacordell

Connect on LinkedIn: Dr. Lee Cordell