On this episode of Rhian's Hope, I am finally talking to Chad Joseph Songy, founder of many things, but most relevant to this episode, Zebra Crossing Adventures.  

We start with doldrums of 9 to 5 life, and move on to his experience as a white male, his efforts to have important conversations about equality across the world, his goals in launching Zebra Crossing Adventures, and the work and effort it has taken him to get him to this point. 

Chad flips the script on me a few times and really gets me thinking about the adjectives and who I'd nominate to have this experience.

Zebra Crossing Adventures on Instagram

Zebra Crossing Adventures on YouTube

Finally, Chad and Greg both highly recommend this documentary series from Vox: https://www.vox.com/a/borders

Please excuse some of the glitches at the end of our interview.