This time, our guest, chai tea latte, host of the podcast Ephemera, joins the show to talk about how this podcast is like being a college radio DJ, why it’s so hard to find people to talk poetry with, and the “Soylent approach” to language..

chai’s poem: Mary Oliver, “The Swan” ( http://www.famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/mary_oliver/poems/15806 )

Neal’s poem: Muriel Rukeyser, “[Murmurs from the earth of this land]” ( http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54596/murmurs-from-the-earth-of-this-land )

You can listen to Ephemera at http://storiesfromtheinter.net/

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