"I always say to myself at the end of the year, okay, how many failures did I have this year? Because if I haven't made failures, it means I've been too comfortable."

In this week's episode of the Change Happens podcast, host Jenelle McMaster is joined by world renowned food creator and publisher Donna Hay who shares her change journey as a ground-breaker in the world of food publishing and beyond.

Host: Jenelle McMaster is Managing Partner, Oceania Markets at EY.

Guest: Donna Hay, Founder and Director at Donna Hay P/L is a world renowned food creator and publisher.