"Anyone who has been through a crisis like a natural disaster like a bushfire or flood or whatever really, really need to tell their stories."

In this week's episode of the Change Happens podcast, Jenelle McMaster is joined by Lisa Paul AO PSM, who shares her passion for education and mental health as well as her experiences managing crises and facing unexpected situations including the Bali Bombings and the most recent Australian bushfires, and the change they created.

Host: Jenelle McMaster is Managing Partner, Oceania Markets at EY.

Guest: Lisa Paul AO PSM - leader in education, mental health and crisis management. Chair at The Australian Government, Chair Headspace, Company Director of a number of listed and private companies, an Enterprise Professor at the University of Melbourne, and a Councillor of Bond University.