Irish novelist and poet James Stephens said: Curiosity will conquer fear even more than bravery will. Our guest on this episode, Dr K’dee Elsen, completed her PhD in clinical psychology and has practiced across both the non-profit and government healthcare sectors in Massachusetts and California. Her daily practice brings her into contact with those who’s lives have radically changed – palliative care patients. Learn about the fascinating concepts of resilience, ambiguous loss and the ministry of presence.