Carel Brest Van Kempen is an internationally recognized wildlife artist and has won numerous awards of excellence. He depicts seldom illustrated species in extremely detailed works that tell a story about our natural world. He is also the author and illustrator of Rigor Vitae: Life Unyielding, and illustrator of many other books including Biology of Gila Monsters, and Dinosaurs of Utah. 

In this episode, Brest Van Kempen and Grandin blend art, science, ecology and education. As a result, they reveal the inner workings of their minds and provide insights to our societal systems in practical ways.