Why do we have so many people behind bars and how do we change the system? Rick digs into the latest effort at reform with Brett Tolman. Tolman is the former United States Attorney for the District of Utah. Prior to serving as US Attorney, Mr. Tolman served as Legal Counsel to the United States Senate Judiciary Committee.You can call in to the show any time at (833) 711-RICK. That's (833) 711-7425.

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