We were suggested and introduced by Guzzie Ang to Leong Wong-savuns, a Thai who worked in a CG production company in the USA. He was part of the post-production team for the movie Avatar. Because of our lack of depth for the topic, we invited a listener over to help, he was @NotJiam, who was an award winner for his animation during college years. This was one episode where we felt we should have prepared for the discussion, however, Loeng saved the day by sharing his working experience.