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"It ends, it can be violent, it can be traumatic, it is earth shattering. It is one of the worst things that you will go through outside of death. Uh, you know, and so it's, you know, it's a textbook thing that you need to do and you need, if you look at your marriage like a business, then you will not be as emotional about all of these things that you need to do to have a healthy marriage."