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My Teacher and Mentor and I replay some of our conversations over the years and tie them to current issues, and struggles of the horse world, the therapy world, our political landscape, and Equine Thereapy and  Equine Learning.  We also discuss bullying, our shadow sides, ethics, neuroscinece, and relationships, what is and is not abusive to animals and the conversation continues in the second part.

Charissa wears many hats, including Mental Health Therapist and Clinical Supervisor and Horse Trainer, 

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