Charlie Engen is the drummer for bands Scale The Summit and Ideology. He is also a session musician and instructor. We discuss Charlie's injury to his thumb and how time off the instrument has been a challenge, especially considering it wasn't voluntary. We talk about our differences in approaching metronome practice, the importance to honor our creativity, how we can become bored with our drumming, and a crazy story about a mishap at the St. Paul's Cathedral. There is a lot to absorb in this episode.