What's it like to be a highly creative, talented artist operating in the "real" world where you still have to make ends meet?  Charlie Malcolm is exactly that: a multi-hyphenate creative working in the entertainment industry, currently developing an incredible original musical (seriously, go listen to his demos on his instagram page!) In this interview, we discuss how, in  creative fields, you have to climb multiple ladders at the same time to see which one will take you where you want to go. How do you balance paying rent with following your dreams? With so many projects going on at the same time, your full-time job can feel like just one of many side hustles.  no matter your field, this is a highly relatable discussion. Plus, tune in to hear Abigail almost stop the interview when Charlie disses Les Mis, the drama is real.