Charlie Pellerin (Former Director of Astrophysics, NASA) and Paul Hawkins (Chief Combobulator, Crazy Might Work) discuss the origins of the NASA 4-Dimensional Leadership Program and why it has been transformational globally since launching in the late 1990’s. The program has been voluntarily completed by over 1,500 NASA teams, contributing to NASA being named Best Place to Work in US government for the twelfth year in a row (May, 2024). Paul talks about the new program which now incorporates simulations and updates from the current space program, as well as contemporary neuroscientific research, making it a leadership and team development experience like no other.

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