In this conversation, Rafi sits down with Charlotte O’Leary, CEO of Pensions for Purpose; the collaborative network helping pension funds become a real force for good.

Charlotte’s vision is bold: a world where pensions drive a fairer, more sustainable economy. In this episode, she unpacks how psychology, governance and finance intersect - from fiduciary duty and systemic incentives to the need for new narratives around value, care and human motivation. Their conversation explores how we can shift from being consumers to citizens, and why aligning money with meaning might just be the key to fixing capitalism.

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