Surprise! While we were at Rezzed we recorded a series of short, informal chats with interesting gamespeople. In this first episode, Chris and Alex sit down with X-COM creator Julian Gollop and Snapshot Games co-founder David Kaye to talk Phoenix Point.

You can find out more about Phoenix Point on the game’s official site and, if you prefer, listen to this episode on YouTube. The Crate & Crowbar is supported by our Patreon backers – for more about how that works, click here.