Today I am chatting with Tamsin Napier-Munn. Tamsin is an enthusiastic, skilled and energetic speaker and facilitator, whose business acumen and engaging style ensures that sessions are not only highly relevant but have a lasting positive impact.   Tamsin’s eternal optimism for people and opportunities have helped drive her determination to successfully navigate her way through –like many people -a far from straight forward upbringing and career path.  

Having had a highly successful sales career in B2B fashion, publishing and IT Consulting, Tamsin transitioned into training sales teams and management, and led a regional Dale Carnegie Training business.  As host of The Women in Business Awards and Campaign for the last 5 years for The Business Magazine, Tamsin is passionate about tapping in to the power in us, pushing through doubts and taking charge of our careers and our lives.  As a result of her experiences and determination to learn to speak up and step up, Tamsin has been inspired to reach out to those of us who haven’t yet found our voices to find the courage and skills to get seen and get heard.

Key points addressed were  

• Tamsin varied professional career as well as her some of her personal struggles that led her to design and develop Raw Talks academy, a program developed to inspire, impact, and enable her clients to create real impact on their careers and lives

This podcast series is hosted by Patricia Kathleen and Wilde Agency Media. This series is a platform for women, female-identified, & non-binary individuals to share their professional stories and personal narrative as it relates to their story. This podcast is designed to hold a space for all individuals to learn from their counterparts regardless of age, status, or industry.

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[00:00:00] In this episode, I sat down with speaker facilitator and host of Women in Business Awards, as well as the founder and CEO of Raw Talks Academy, Tamsin Napier-Munn, among key points addressed where Tamsin's varied professional career, as well as some of her personal struggles that led to her to design and develop Raw Talks Academy, a program developed to inspire impact and enable her clients to create real impact on their careers and lives. Stay tuned for my fascinating talk with Tamsin Napier-Munn.

[00:00:35] Hi, my name is Patricia Kathleen, and this podcast series contains interviews I conduct with women. Female identified and non binary individuals regarding their professional stories and personal narrative. This podcast is designed to hold a space for all individuals to learn from their counterparts regardless of age status for industry. We aim to contribute to the evolving global dialog surrounding underrepresented figures in all industries across the USA and abroad. If you're enjoying this podcast, be sure to check out our subsequent series that dove deep into specific areas such as Vegan life, fasting and roundtable topics. They can be found via our Web site. Patricia Kathleen ARCOM, where you can also join our newsletter. You can also subscribe to all of our series on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, Pod Bean and YouTube. Thanks for listening. Now let's start the conversation.

[00:01:33] Hi, everyone, and welcome back. I am your host, Patricia. And today I am elated to be sitting down with Tamsin Napier-Munn. Tamsin is a speaker, a facilitator and host of Women in Business Awards. She is also the founder and CEO of Rock Talks Academy. You can find out more about these issues and done some of the stuff we impact today at Raw Talks Academy dot com. Welcome, Tamsin.

[00:01:56] All right. Great to see you. I'm very excited. Thank you for having me.

[00:01:59] Absolutely. I'm excited to klotho everything regarding your business endeavors today. And for those of you that are new to this podcast. I'll give you a brief roadmap of where our line of inquiry will be headed towards in our 30 to 45 minutes today. And I will also read a bio on Tamsin before I start peppering her with questions. So the roadmap for today's podcast will first look at Tamsin's academic and professional background in history, leading her to the Rock Talks Academy and her work within that, as well as hosting of the Women in Business Awards. Some of those efforts and we will look towards unpacking those efforts in general, the logistics of when each was founded, the work that each is doing, all of that. And then we will turn our efforts towards goals that Tamsin has for all of those projects, namely the Raw Talks Academy over the next one to three years and will wrap everything up with the advice that she has for those of you who are looking to get involved or perhaps emulate some of her success. So as promised, prior to getting into my line of inquiry, a quick bio, Tamsin is an enthusiastic, skilled and energetic speaker and facilitator whose business acumen and engaging style ensures that sessions are not only highly relevant but have a lasting positive impact. Tamsin's eternal optimism for people and opportunities have helped drive her determination to successfully navigate her way through. Like many people, far from sight forward upbringing and career path, having a highly having had a highly successful sales and career in B2B fashion publishing and I.T. temps and transitioned into training sales teams in management and led original Dale Carnegie training business as host of the Women in Business Awards and campaign for the last five years for the Business magazine. Tamsin is passionate about tapping into the power in us, pushing through doubts and taking charge of our careers and our lives as a result of her experience and determination to learn to speak up and step it step up. Tamsin has been inspired to reach out to those of us who haven't yet found her voice or voices to find the courage and skills to get seen and get heard. In 2019, Roth Talks Academy was launched pioneering programs for people of influence. Tamsin has designed strategies, steps and processes as a part of a system to empower you to develop real confidence and real influence and have real impact on your career in business. By tapping into your personal power, you will have a life with greater passion, purpose and will truly unlock your potential and make what you say matter. Because what you say matters is a quote from Tamsin Napier-Munn. Man. So Tamsin. I do. I do want to drop straight in to everything that you're doing. However, prior to that, I'm hoping that you can kind of unpack for us your history, your academic background and early professional life that led you to what you're doing now with a long story.

[00:04:54] I'm sure it was a lovely, lovely, long story to tell. So, you know, I really didn't have much of an academic background, so we can swiftly go past that one. But I you know, I wasn't you know, it didn't engage in school. I was autistic. I think I had ADHD then. But I think people really understood it. So I had quite a dysfunctional and very abusive childhood. So my focus was very much on self preservation. And part of that was I wasn't really allowed to speak. So I was very much metaphorically gagged as a child. So I kind of lifted my head for a lot of time. So I went into Six-fold college and before I went to art college, which I dropped out of, I have to say I had other retsina of young girls, you know, really struggled with your own identity and all the rest of it. So it took me years of years to start to, I guess, undo a lot of the self-esteem issues. And that was probably the reason why I kind of dropped out of college. I went to college. I wanted to be a fashion designer. And so that was the path to go. So unfortunately, I didn't finish it. I don't think my parents were too impressed. Hey, that's that's my academic background.

[00:06:20] Yeah, well, listen, that's interesting because I frequently find in people that I speak to, particularly women or female identified or non binary individual, that doesn't necessarily denote a very prolific. And like a widely cast net as far as the professional life is concerned, you know, inquiry during that time period happens at any stage, regardless of the institution one finds themselves in. So how did you start your professional life?

[00:06:47] Well, interesting. You know, I think it teaches you. I mean, when you go through stuff, it teaches you resilience, determination. And I know although I fell out of college. I still wanted to be a fashion designer, I kind of went up it's sort of one of those romantic stories or not of running up to London and.

[00:07:10] Finding my fame and fortune, but unfortunately found it probably in the wrong places and found myself with the wrong with the wrong people. Just one morning, early morning when I was coming back from one of those all nighters, I was passing the rag trade in London and I happened to peer into the window of this fashion house. And this chap came out and we got chatting and offered me a job. At that point, it was simply a go for job. I was I was hanging clothes and go for a go for that to go for this and any thirty five pounds a week. It was. Wow. Yeah. Not a lot, but I was willing to learn. And I then went to work for Philip Green, the infamous Philip Green one stop shop. And that was an experience I think baptism by fire with that gentleman. And he you know, I'm no good to jumping into a defining moments in our lives. But, you know, that kick started my career in sales because although I wanted to be a fashion designer, I ended up talking to clients, selling clothes from the racks and to the wholesalers to top shop. I felt I had a knack of of influencing and how to understand people relate and connect. So I remember Philip Green wants to turn round to me and said, Tamsin, if you had brains that you'd be dangerous. I remember thinking, I don't think that was a compliment. But it gave me a real drive to start to say, okay, that I'll show you moments. And I from that moment, all my career started to kind of go forward, but I really didn't know what I wanted to do. I knew I wanted to make money. The reason being is I want to be financially independent. I think a lot of women that I have met who perhaps happen to have a secure background have been driven to feel that financial security and independence that they haven't had. So that was my drive. More than anything else. So I went into sales more and more in the fashion industry in the 80s. So that was the boom time. The fashion business went into footwear business industry. So you can either very what they call a squiggly career. I mean, I did have no plan, no idea what I was doing. And so I went into the fashion footwear business with my cousin. And I became sales manager at the age of 21. And I was driving right round the country selling off samples. I mean, you talk about hard work and just to the grindstone. I mean, I, I was really working hard. I made some good money. Then I flipped into the publishing industry. I mean, you can get more books. Well, apart from, you know, photographs and fashion of fashion, I went into publishing. I was head hunted, so to speak, for you to start a contract publishing arm. And I ended up selling advertising space. The Haab no sales environment with guys. About 90 percent of them were guys sitting in a room smoking. In those days. I'm off to the pub at lunchtime and I'd go off with the media. I think, you know, then just a kind of short circuit. A lot of this. I bumped around in space, rode the crest of the wave of each wave of whether it was fashion, because then in the 80s we had the we had the crash. Now we had a publishing was on the up. And there was all sorts of wonderful things. I went to sporting events. Hospitality was just fun. And then I went into I.T.. So, you know, when the dot com boom started and I actually when doffs which was around, I was I was one of the first people in the software training industry working for a franchise in London from Atlanta, Georgia.

[00:11:18] So I headed that up for the sales team in London. And then the U.K. found I was, you know, again, honing my skills as a salesperson. I ended up training some of the people in sales around me. And again, it was the dot com boom time. Patricia. It was, you know, the time when you couldn't not make money. I had no idea about technology. I still don't. If I'm honest. And but I just knew how to connect with people. So that was that was that. So where are we? So the dot com boom and bust and then I previously taken a Dale Carnegie course when I was 21. And it had just just changed my whole view on me as well. So this is where I started believing in myself. Somebody else believed in me more than I did. And I know what is the deal.

[00:12:23] Dale Carnegie course forever.

[00:12:25] Dale Carnegie, of course, is Merican. He wrote the book How to Win Friends and Influence People back in 1936. I think it was and it's still be one of the most prolific early read books. And so Ballard now do. And what it did is it gave me tools and the confidence because it's all around public speaking. And that's, you know, when you talk about where did my when rule talks perhaps start? It started way back. This is the perfect storm. We kind of came to fruition because of a number of events coming together.

[00:13:02] But it started in my ability to start to speak up to find my voice, which is what I didn't have for many years since I was a child. To realize that actually I could influence and I could speak and I could have the courage to put myself out there. And so it boosted my confidence. So at the same time of when I've joined the technology company, the trading company, my my career just flew. I was having a lot of fun. My confidence was there. But I think, you know. When things fell to on rocky foundations. You know, the cracks in the mortar of the building can start to show you. If you don't dig those root, there's foundations out to rebuild.

[00:14:00] And that's that's simply what happens after a while. I was working really hard just to make money. I then decided I wanted to go into the training industry full time. So I went to work for Dale Carnegie. I opened the office in Windsor in the UK, and I then started to run seminars, which is then when I really found that I loved connecting with people and speaking up and speaking from the halls. And coaching people. And then you want me to go see Joy? Yeah, this is good.

[00:14:37] I mean, it does it does lead way into kind of what you did and how you were doing. How long did you carry that position?

[00:14:45] For a few years, this bit sort of vague about a few years, but I have been connected. Patricia with Dale Carnegie since I say 1988. So you could probably guess my age now.

[00:14:58] 1988 to still I'm partnering with them with Robert talks as well. Because what they did is was fundamentally changed. Was the change was permanent. So a number of the things that I'm working with now. Best practice is based on that. Yeah.

[00:15:15] So by unpacking of that, I want to skip over to because I kind of want to end with Unpacking Rocks Talks Academy, but I really want to get into your hosting of the Women in Business Awards. So really quickly for everyone listening. What is it. And how long you served as the host and how and why were you selected to host those awards?

[00:15:36] Okay, I'll start with a selection how that came about, because I just very quickly. I had my son. Things were going well. I was coaching one to one self-employed. And I have been since then. And then I got married. I did everything round also about face. My mother would call it, you know, I did things the wrong way around. Got married off I. Yeah. And then not long. You know, it was any of a short lived marriage. Got divorced. That was very painful. When I said the cracks started to show, that's when they started to show I self my anxiety.

[00:16:12] I was going through menopause and I pretty soon realized I was having a nervous breakdown, which I did, which was, you know, looking at a drawer full of pills that I didn't want to take. What was it? Another defining moment? I had to make a decision to do something. So having met the owner of the business magazines some years before. I got out one day, literally out of my chair, feeling absolutely paralyzed, picked up my phone, and I phoned him because I had a son who I had to look after. No one was paying for him but me and my finances were going backwards. And I was stuck and really wasn't sure what I was going to do about it. So something just propelled me into action. I just got up. I phoned David Murray and I said that to David. I think I've got some ideas for you, how you could expand your business ideas with your awards and your events because of my facilitation. And could I have some time with you to show you what I think that we can do together?

[00:17:28] And.

[00:17:31] He agreed and. He gave me an opportunity that not there wasn't an opportunity, that it wasn't a joke. I just created something. I created a need. And so that's one of the things that I think women, you know, we as women absolutely need to be doing. Moral is creating a need seeking. Finding and filling it rather than waiting until we're asked. Until we're ready. Until something comes up. So I. I sold myself and sold the idea. He then gave me three campaigns to run part time. So I was part time. He was playing me. I'm one of them was the Women in Business Awards now, which I have never, ever been interested in these women's groups, women's stuff. I think probably because I've never seen or felt that I've had any difficulty with in a man's world. Perhaps I used to, dare I say, my sexuality, my my you know, my charm. To my advantage. Rightly or wrongly, it worked for me and most of my clients, my customers were men. And so, you know, I this was alien to me and it was like ladies who lunch was not my thing. So I was kind of doing it because I liked the idea of of speaking, being in an audience and raising my profile. And I knew that the only way to raise my profile and start to get noticed.

[00:19:04] What I do is to step forward to grab this opportunity with both arms, which I did. So I started hosting the first one, which was then there was a second year and ever done it. And we had lots of sponsors. It was 2015 and was first time being on stage like that, you know, in front of two 300 people.

[00:19:34] And it was quite daunting. But I, I really broke a fear of standing in front of people. And that's a lot of conversation. Maybe some time, you know, about standing in front of an audience was one of the biggest fears that I ever had. Like a lot of people, I was humiliated as a child in front of my father, in front of groups of his friends. So I had this blog and I was determined to overcome it. So this was a real big one for me. So over the last five, five 1/2 years, I've been hosting and growing the campaign. So it's not just the awards, it's the whole writing, the newsletters, putting everything on the Web site, interviewing some really successful, amazing women. And I soon realized this is why it's come to this now, is I really realized how much women we as women tend to, I say, tend to not everybody hold ourselves back.

[00:20:35] Yeah. So that got me into the women and Business Awards and the hosting. So I started to build my profile, make amazing connections, interview lots of amazing women and start to kind of build a picture, not just from my own experiences of what it stands for, what we will talk stands for, which how I can come on to the reason for it. The drive for it.

[00:21:00] But, you know, I started realizing the DNA that could be captured with women who are successful to each of those.

[00:21:09] I think it's remarkable, too, that you came at it from this like, you know, you didn't feel incredibly blighted with your career, you know, based with the gender parity and disparity issues. Yeah. There's so many people talk about, I think, unique. And it's a brave platform to have to say I didn't really feel maybe I was using things to my advantage, but it worked for me. So I am curious now. Can we kind of I'd like you to unpack Raw Talks Academy. It was founded recently in 2019 with your love infancy endeavors are so fun, but it sounds like it was born out of like axiomatic principles that you were doing prior to that with the business magazine awards and things like that. So can you kind of like walk us through how it was developed? You also do it in partnership with and with the business magazine owner, or was this a separate thing where he's been very supportive of it and it's sort of run alongside?

[00:22:07] It is my own venture. And so, you know, I think what it comes at the core of it is about finding your voice. It is about courage. And it is about three things I did. I so I created a system, Latricia, that I identified as sort of I unpacked everything that I had done in my life. So this is, you know, wasn't an overnight success and still isn't. But it's it's something that I still look at. What have I achieved and how have I done it? How have I overcome things? And. To to then identify those processes and the mindset, the techniques that I use. And at the core of it is those two things, finding your voice and having the courage to act. I think that a lot of women, as I say, tend to we hold ourselves back, waiting to be ready, waiting until we're sure and waiting until we feel like it's waiting to be asked. Waiting until the all the lights turn green. We hesitate. We tend to think over and analyze underestimates our values. So there's so many statistics out there. And I started to read up about how women have held themselves back because they only go for something unless they're 80 percent ready or feel that they are ready. You know, someone a friend of mine said to me, a male friend, he said, you know what? Men have more of a subject button than women. You know, they have a kind of the more willing to kind of go for something. Yeah. Yeah. Rule talks is stands for real, authentic women. And what I can see in a lot of women, including myself, which is my journey as much as anybody's. Is to stop wearing masks, to start to rob and be fine when everyone says, how are you? You say, I'm fine. And we all know what that means. It's fucked up, insecure, neurotic and emotional. Or someone else has said is feelings inside not expressed. A lot of women have a voice, so they want to say something. They have ideas, but they hesitate waiting to think that I might be taken seriously. Overlooked for promotion, and this about time we stepped up, spoke up and identified these three areas, if you like. I believe everybody needs to master if they want to get ahead. But in particular, women know this. This is a game changer. I'm not one is to inspire the ability to inspire others. The ability to influence others. And the ability to impact change. So will the skills and the processes of the system are geared to support women in doing those three things?

[00:25:09] I got a lot of inspiration from at the core of this is I identified one thing that enabled me and I say enabled me. I empowered myself because this is one of the things that I know that I love. I come back to this, but. I accept the awards evening once, and this guy said to me. Young guy, he said, you know what, women have got to stop pointing the finger at everybody else, I'm saying they've got to change. You know, they they've got to and I. And I just looked at him knowing I was hosting a in business, he knew that, so hence the he brought it up. I looked at him and I said. Really? And you said women really got to be the change. They've got to be that that influence rather than waiting for other people to change. And I thought he's absolutely right. How? I have never it remind me of my career. I've never waited for somebody else to change. But I had to be that influence, that change in me. So I. I truly believe that they talk about empowering women. This is the this is the subtitle to everything. Women Empowerment and how companies are empowering women. And they don't. How can they? They can allow them to do to empower themselves. Only women can take charge to give themselves the authority to change. So my system is ultimately the ultimate self empowerment, personal power empowerment system because it's women taking charge for themselves and in a way not wasting time until they give them permission to. And that, to me, is how we can make change happen on a large scale. So the system, the academy is is about teaching women the skills, the courage, and ultimately to help them to find that voice and use it. So the core of this is this is a is a something I call it the power of three activation for me that was inspired. I have to say by Mel Robbins, her five second rule, however, comma. I realized that with a different process to this, and actually five seconds takes me three seconds to talk myself out of something. And if you can actually get out of your head into action and you can get out of your head and without overthinking in a way that is quick, that engages. Exactly. But you're locked in mental jail. For me, it was locked down for a lot of people as being mentally locked down. You know, I put myself in solitary confinement in my head for a long time. And what we have to do is to to break out of. Mental lockdown. And to get into action rather than carping, paralyzed by fear and anxiety. Yeah. And as I was so so the power of reactivation of formula. I teach the core of everything. So it is a formula, a three step process of becoming present and really being aware of your instincts. Being aware of the instincts to act. So whether you have an idea, then you have to put your hand up in the meeting. And you have that instinct to do that rather than what a lot of people do, is to kind of work for the break. Some say, should I put my hand up? Should I say something at the moment? Gone. Rather than not has to to follow your instincts and to count backwards three to one and physically move through the physical movements, changes your mindset as far as mental expounds is engaging your prefrontal cortex so that you can actually make those physical changes in that moment. This few seconds, an act, as you know, that's probably one of the drivers that most people will say from the testimonials you might see is somebody got rid of the excuses is to act on instinct, to honor your instincts with deliberate action so that if you like, the power of three, which is at the core of everything, and I think that is for me, the. The thing that I look back at, yeah, that's what's caused changes in my life. Yeah, I'm curious about.

[00:29:55] So I had the opportunity to read some pieces, some comments and testimonials from your previous clients. And it sounds like a continuous theme is that they all feel like you have offered them at, you know, a roadmap to self empowerment and also that you yourself lead by example that you're this very powerful speaker and things of that nature. And it caused me to kind of consider your client profile even further. And I'm curious to go noticed any trends even prior to officially launching, you know, Raud Talks Academy. Do you find that you have like a very niche or specific profile of individual that you work with? Or does it span all industry and genre? Like, how does that work for you? Have you.

[00:30:43] Good question. Yeah, that's a good question. Tricia B.. Profile of. My clients is women. I mean, that is the main profile of my clients. I say from I identify this, everyone suffers from the same things to a smaller or greater degree.

[00:31:12] And it's not just women who are all returning to work, not your career break, you lack confidence. It is potentially women who are starting out in their career as graduates. Women tend to still have those those fears and those doubts. I'm not sure where that's come from, whether that's a biological or that's your nature. You know, there's a lot to be said for looking into all of that. There's also aspiration. I'd say aspirational women are my my target audience. Anyone who is looking to influence, looking to find their voice, wanting to get ahead and is willing to commit to doing something and confronting situations. And part of this course in the program, the 12 week program that I'm now I'm now launching next month is a pilot when I piloted last year and very powerful program because it starts off with the first eye, which is inspiration. Now everybody wants to eat to inspire others around them. And I took my inspiration rather than motivation, because inspiration is the rocket fuel for this thing, for any endeavor. And if women want to to raise their profile, they want to be seen to be more influential. They first need to look at themselves and be inspirational. And so that's one of the things that women tend that I found tend to do, is they downplay their assets than strengths. So what I do is confront them with. Looking at what they've got going for them, you know, that's reminding them, rediscovering that that part of them, that they. They realize this is a strength. Take them through a five step process of self discovery and that when they come out of that and it's experiential, it's not theoretical process. So my coaching just to kind of the way it works and why it's so transformational is that I use best practice coaching in the sense of I use specific ways of disrupting and challenging their thinking. And then I do a little coaching in the Vegan.

[00:33:36] So from my Dale Carnegie days, it's all about stand and deliver. Well, maybe now as I sit and deliver an online book, stand and deliver, it is about building confidence through public speaking. So I coach them in the moment so they can actually feel the transformation and I challenge them to be better. Be bold. Be brave. And so take them out of their comfort zone is where the magic happens, I say, and you're right, it's it's it's something that I haven't I haven't by any means got to where I want to be. But also I'm also very conscious. This is my journey to I struggle and I'm very honest about it. I'm very transparent. Like you said, you are transparent, you know, very honest. This is about being authentic, but being vulnerable and being brave. To be doing that, the only way that you can inspire and connect with other people is by being those things. So that's what the program teaches. You know, this is our struggle, just as everybody else does still that and like you being very akin and, you know, human.

[00:34:49] Much like your clients, I'm wondering how is your process sounds? Very much so. Like it's about self identity awareness. And then these lily pad action item approaches as to how to change through the eyes. They're inspiring and and impacting and all of those things. But I'm wondering to that. And it sounds like, you know, it's it's kind of micro goal making to kind of get your behavior to change. And with you yourself, as you likened yourself to your clients just now. Do you find yourself transforming as the time goes on that you continue to kind of coach people in this? Do you find your theory's kind of retaining or accelerating in their clarity? And if so, how is that shaping your future goals with what you're going to do with the academy?

[00:35:39] So what I think you are what you say, because it was a little bit. I got a noise in the background. Is that because this is evolving? Is that is that really. Yeah.

[00:35:53] Setting is so I'm young. If the if if you have evolved as an adviser to your clients and if so, has that changed the future of where you're headed.

[00:36:04] I think, you know, well, I'm very excited about the fact that I don't have to be the person standing up that I am, Patricia. This is probably you know, you've hit the nail on the head. I see. And I talk about other women. They say they will go to talks. They'll listen to some very well known. Whether it's Michelle Obama, whether it's for Winfrey, or they'll have some iconic equal over the U.K. businesswoman because listen to get inspired. But inspiration tends to disappear, tends to sort of weaken as they leave the auditorium or they leave. That's because what they're saying to themselves is I could never be like that. So what I want from this academy is about storytelling, that hearing other women's stories in a way that is about then sharing it with passion and practice to inspire other women, saying I'm not nothing special. This is my story. And but this is where I've come from. So. For me, it's about the ordinary, I say ordinary, exceptionally ordinary woman.

[00:37:20] Who has an extraordinary capacity to share the.

[00:37:29] The golden nuggets of wisdom that are being hidden because they haven't had the courage of confidence to speak up. So this is about. So they learn to tell students about storytelling. So every session that they work through is they tell a story. They learn how to frame it and learn how to deliberate with passion and purpose. And finding their purpose as part of this. Is when you've got that, you've got inspiration. You become unstoppable. So that's the final icing on the cake. The Road Teams Academy will be something I'm launching next year. Hopefully it'll be something that if we can all go back on stage. Quite an amazing national program. And it's about sharing, watching people's journey from. From being sort of perhaps less confident person to being an inspirational speaker and seeing that person transformed because that's what inspires people, not maybe the Michelle Mon's or the current Bradys we have over here. Yeah. Been there. Done it. It's seeing someone actually grow. So I hope that people will see me evolve. You know, because, yeah, that's a pressure on myself to do that. I have to. I got to do what I'm asking other people to do. Absolute lockdown. That's exactly what happens, because I'm natural's for my notable line, libeled line. I'm totally out of my comfort zone. This is not where I want to be. Yeah. So there's another test.

[00:39:19] Absolutely. And I think a lot of people who can and are able to and fortunate enough to receive it that way and do it are growing. You know, and I think that's one of the offshoots that I very timidly try and proffer up, you know, as as nothing good ever came from pandemic. But something good frequently comes from the human struggle. You know, and and so within that, I think that we can kind of openly talk about those things. And it sounds like you've endeavored with that as well. Well, Tamsin, we're running out of time and we're at my favorite parts. For everyone who listens to my podcast regularly knows that I am unabashedly honest about the idea that this final question of mine, I don't change. And. And I've asked it of a million people. So I will ask you now today. I'm curious if you had a young woman or female identified or non binary individual approached you in a park or a garden tomorrow at a safe social distance and say, Oh, Tamsin, I'm so glad I found you. So check it out. I've had this career that has been this beautifully winding road throughout all of these different industries. I started off, you know, really wanting to be in fashion and was to some degree. And then I climbed through all of these different endeavors. I learned through marketing, I was very turned on to this course that I took and then worked for. I did it all of these different things. And now I'm getting ready to kind of launch my own enterprise and utilize all of the skills and the pieces of knowledge and and expertize and put it all together with the top three pieces of advice you would give that individual knowing what you know now.

[00:40:54] OK. Since when did you say top three? Yes. OK. So I would I would absolutely tell her to find someone who is going to not take any excuses but is willing to push her because even eagles need to push mount. The second the second thing is to.

[00:41:21] To speak up.

[00:41:24] To absolutely speak up and find the courage to do so. I would say using this, I would I would chair that three step process with her of the formula, because in the moment of making a decision to step outside of your comfort zone, you have to have courage. And it's about the little things. So is having finding the courage to speak up. And I would say that thing would be. And there are lots of things I would say. It's about. I mean, I could squeeze a fourth one and be sure to yourself. To add to find your purpose. Two, to pursue finding a purpose. And when you do sue it all your might. Yes. Don't wait until you're my age, huh?

[00:42:20] I think you're killing it. So. And I love age. I've decided I'm very proud. I'm forty three. I think that a lot of my audience probably even knows my birthday by now because I don't think that you can accomplish what I've accomplished without being around 43. So to pretend to be happy young would be to be unaccomplished. And I would trade up any day. So I have your top three as find someone who won't accept excuses and push you. No. To speak up and find the courage to do so. And number three, be good to yourself and find your true purpose.

[00:42:56] Yes, I love those.

[00:42:57] I know you have a name for because I know what I'm going to be tapping into your zone of genius as to all of that. And so I thought it might be pressing you a bit hard. And I think it was beautifully done. I love those. And I want to say, Tamsin, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me today. I know you're busy. Everyone is at once. Thank you. At home and available, but also very busy. And I really appreciate you taking the time, giving us your honest rhetoric.

[00:43:20] Appreciate you having me on. I've really enjoyed the time with you. Thank you, Patricia.

[00:43:25] Absolutely. And for everyone listening, we've been speaking with Tamsin Napier-Munn. You can find out more on raw talks, Academy dot com. And thank you for giving me your time today.

[00:43:36] And until we speak again next time. Remember to stay safe and always bet on yourself. Slainte.