This is the inaugural episode for the Podcast "Conversations with Chauke"  with the host Paballo Chauke and the title of this episode is "Black Women in Leadership: Taking up Space, Creating Change and Living Fearlessly". We had a great conservation with the phenomenal, internationally acclaimed academic Professor Mamokgethi Phakeng (UCT VC)  discussed a multitude of issues including Black Excellence, The issue of academic titles, sexism, racism, poverty and cementing ourselves. We also got to know where the labels "FabAcademic" and "Deputy Mother" emanate from. A truly inspiring Black woman in leadership who is passionate about education and giving back.