Today, our guest Jennifer Billock (Jen) joins us for a conversation that is equal parts magical, historical, and delightfully unconventional. Jen is a journalist, author, witch-for-hire, and the creator of a thriving practice centered on Tyromancy: divination using cheese.Yes, cheese! Yes, divination! Yes, it’s real (it dates back to the second century).Jen shares how she discovered this centuries-old practice, what it looks like to read the surface of cheese like tea leaves, and how she turned her love of food and magic into a professional path.If you’ve ever wondered whether magic can live in your kitchen, your snack board, or your everyday life—this episode is for you!What we explore in this episode:* What Tyromancy (cheese divination) is and how it dates back to the second century* How to read cheese like tea leaves using foundation lines, journey lines, and symbolic imagery* Why divination doesn’t have to be gatekept and why it’s completely okay to use the tarot guidebook* How food, magic, and everyday rituals can intersect in powerful, accessible waysJENNIFER BILLOCK AND THE MAGIC OF TYROMANCYTyromancy isn’t new at all. The practice dates back to the second century, and Jen has brought it into modern life in such a grounded, joyful way.In her individual sessions, she typically works with four cheeses:1. Past2. Present3. Future4. Answers a specific questionJen reads patterns on the cheese the way someone might read tea leaves—foundation lines, journey lines, shapes, clusters, and symbolic imagery that emerges from texture and rind.For our episode, she chose a simplified format: present and future.THE CHEESE READING: PRESENT + FUTUREI chose one square piece of cheese for my present and one curved piece for my future. Here’s what came through.Present Cheese Themes* Strong foundation: inner strength, stability, wisdom* Second-guessing: a moment where Camille may be overthinking something important* A “stethoscope” symbol: a prompt to pay attention to health signals (Jen emphasizes this doesn’t look catastrophic—more like “don’t ignore your body”)* Growth + companionship: a flower-like pattern suggests love, happiness, supportive connection* A scorpion-like shape: a reminder that overthinking can sting you from the inside outFuture Cheese Themes* Even stronger stability: a thicker, deeper foundation line suggests confidence growing over time* Learning lines: waves of incoming knowledge, new information, mental expansion* A small remaining pocket of doubt: not as strong as before, progress is happening* Transformation symbol: a butterfly/kite-like shape suggests growth through new learning* A specific guidance note: “Go into the city for a weekend.”💭 LIVE TAROT EXCHANGE: Jen’s favorite deck is the Garbage Pail Kids Tarot. It's colorful, disgusting, blunt, and (according to Jen) incredibly accurate and very rude.Jen’s pull for Camille (Garbage Pail Kids Tarot)Wheel of Fortune (“Twist of Fate Kate”) - change, pivot points, fate’s spin, and the reminder that not everything can be controlled… but you can choose how you meet it.Camille’s pull for Jen (Herb Crafters Tarot)Curandera of Fire (Damiana) - self-love, sensuality, pleasure, desire, creative vitality, and honoring the erotic divine as sacred fuel.WHERE TO FIND JENNIFER BILLOCKIf you want to connect with Jen, explore Tyromancy, or book a cheese reading, you can find her in these places:* Substack: Kitchen Witch * Instagram / TikTok: @kitchenwitchjb* Upcoming book: Tyromancy-focused, releasing 2027* Past Book Published: The Retrograde Guidebook* And yes, she’s currently doing seasonal astrology fortunes paired with cheese via a snack brand collaboration (because of course she is!)

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