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Episode: China is killing the US on energy. Does that mean they’ll win AGI? — Casey Handmer
Pub date: 2025-08-15

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How will we feed the 100s of GWs of extra energy demand that AI will create over the coming decade? On this episode, Casey Handmer (Caltech PhD, former NASA JPL, founder & CEO of Terraform Industries) walks me through how we can pull it off, and why he thinks a major part of this energy singularity will be powered by solar. His views are contrarian, but he came armed to defend them.

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TIMESTAMPS

(00:00:00) – Why doesn’t China win by default?

(00:08:28) – Why hyperscalers choose natural gas over solar

(00:18:01) – Solar's astonishing learning rates

(00:27:02) – How to build 50,000 acre solar-powered data centers

(00:40:24) – Environmental regulations blocking clean energy

(00:44:04) – Batteries replacing the grid

(00:49:14) – GDP is broken, AGI's true value must be measured in total energy use

(00:58:45) – Silicon wafers in space with one mind each

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