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China Über Alles: Episode 48 – General Robert Spalding “Data Is The Equivalent To Power”


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Amy describes her old friend and neighbor, who had a particularly horrible childhood. When Amy was 3 years old in 1955 a new neighbor moved in downstairs into their apartment. The father worked for the international trading department of the Shanghai city government. His wife was a University graduate for journalism and worked for a prestigious newspaper. Amy's friend was named Mei Mei. She was born in 1956.
When the CCP announced that they were not a "one voice party" and welcomed different opinions, Mei Mei wrote a lot of opinion pieces. However, Mao then announced that anyone who spoke against the CCP was a "poison snake". Mei Mei's mother was arrested, sent to a labor camp and the father was told to divorce her. He begged the local leader not to force him to divorce her, pleading that his wife had made a mistake. After hiring a nanny to care for their child, and many letters pleading for his wife's release, after 8 years she was allowed to come home, provided she did not return to work.
In 1966, during the Cultural Revolution, Mei Mei's father's brother was accused of being an intellectual and attacked. He jumped out of a window. Mei Mei's father was told to identify the body and denounce his brother. When he returned home, he told his family not to retrieve the body if he dies.
In 1967, Mei Mei's father and his boss was accused of being a "class enemy". They were tortured and beaten. He was told that his wife would be sent back to the labor camp. He bought a ferry ticked and jumped into the ocean.
Mei Mei tried not to remember these things, but there was a documentary depicting great changes in China over the next 20 years. The documentary correctly predicted economic progress, but incorrectly predicted more political openness.
Amy suggested that Mei Mei could tell her family's story to her daughter. Mei Mei was unable to tell the documentarians her story. So, Amy ended up being interviewed.
Nan introduces General Robert Spalding and welcomes him back to the program. Nan asks General Spalding if he has seen the new missile silo construction in China. General Spalding suggests that we really don't know if they are active silos, what they might contain or whether they might be decoys. Billy asks why the missile silos are so concentrated. General Spalding suggests that the silos are unexpectedly concentrated, again suggesting that we don't know what the intention is. General Spalding says that "geography is not the most important factor" and recommends thinking about the world in terms of data, not geography. He points toward China's intentions with Artificial Intelligence, suggesting that "data is the equivalent to power" in that part of the world.
General Spalding talks about the difference in top US tech companies in 2007 compared to today. He points to the ability of contemporary data collection for the purpose of influencing individual citizens actions is "what we're talking about".
Nan wonders if the location of the apparent silos in Xinjiang is related to our criticism of the forced labor camps. General Spalding suggests that China has focused on mobile nuclear missile batteries. He mentions that fixed missile silos would be more indicative of missile defense.
General Spalding suggests that Chinese missile capability is more advanced than the US. With nuclear weapons, they are increasing their stockpile. That said, General Spalding does not think that the US and China would risk a shooting war, given the potential costs. He suggests that the focus is on cyber war and political influence. "What we are talking about is political warfare", suggesting that undermining our faith in our institutions and convincing people a one party system is superior is their intention.
Billy asks if we can defend ourselves on the internet. General Spalding says we can't because our government doesn't have control of businesses or citizens, where the CCP has total control of business and private life. For thi
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China Watch RadioBy Bill Graff, Michael Olsen, Jonathan McCollyer, David Welch, Amy Hao