Host Nadia Salomon chats with author Chris Barton about the picture books MOVING FORWARD, illustrated by Steffi Walthall, and GLITTER EVERYWHERE, illustrated by Chaaya Prabhat.

They talk about change and how change is never about one person but a team. And that it happens slower than you might want. So it's essential to take the long view of the work we need to do to be the society we deserve.

Plus, why you need to understand your subject deeply to explain it simply.