This is a republished episode from John's former podcast Hard to Believe featuring an interview with Chris Kluwe

In light Kluwe making national news with his recent act of anti-MAGA civil disobedience, we decided to republish an interview John conducted with Kluwe in 2021, in which he describes, among other things, how he came to be an activist and advocate for justice causes.

Here is the original descriptions of that episode:

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Chris Kluwe was an accomplished NFL punter with the Minnesota Vikings. Then he decided to stand up for the rights of other human beings. Now he's a science fiction novelist. And a lot has happened in between. His first science fiction novel, Otaku, was just released in paperback, so he and John sat across the internet from each other to talk about where he gets his sense of social responsibility, his evolution as a writer, and how it feels to be the only person in American history to have used the term "lustful cockmonster" in a letter to a sitting elected official.

Find out where to buy Otaku from somewhere other than Amazon here

You can try not to get blocked by Chris by following him on Twitter @ChrisWarcraft

Clips from the beginning of this episode come from:

CNN, MSNBC, The Young Turks, The Dan Patrick Show, Geek and Sundry, Larry King Now, and Conan

The outro is a cover of "Science Fiction / Double Feature" by Tall Dark Whimsy