Ron and Cyndi Gula interview Chris Kubecka about her time at Saudi Aramco performing incident response against Iranian intrusions, the state of Middle East cybersecurity relations, how the cybersecurity conference scene has changed over the last few years and how we can teach more people about #DataCare and inspire them to join this exciting career field. Chris is the Distinguished Chair at the Middle East Institute Cyber Program and consults with a variety of world governments on cybersecurity policy.