Join Pastor David Lien, Jeribai Tascoe, and Pastor Bob Wilk as they discuss what it truly means to live as citizens of heaven while walking out our faith in a secular nation. In this episode, they unpack the growing conversation around “Christian nationalism,” clarifying how our first allegiance belongs to the Kingdom of God—not to political systems or ideologies. Through biblical insight and honest dialogue, they explore how believers can influence culture without confusing political identity with spiritual identity. The conversation highlights the call to live as salt and light, transforming society through love, humility, and the power of the Gospel rather than through force or control. Ultimately, they remind listeners that Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world—and our mission is to bring His peace, truth, and reconciliation wherever we go.