Jason & Chris explore some strange facts about Christmas and then turn to their first interview segment on the show.

Few understand the dynamic of being around people who believe what they want to be true, regardless of the evidence, more than Dale Scott. Dale was a Major League umpire for almost 4,000 games. In his interview with Chris & Jason, he talks about:

Recognizing when someone's heart, not their head, is running the show.

How to handle conflict with someone convinced they are right.

The problem with being convinced you're right.

His experience umpiring with the MLB in Australia.

Being the first major sports official in America to come out.

And of course, a few good stories about what probably looked different on television than what actually happened.