Our conversation today is with Chuck DeGroat. Chuck is a follower of Jesus, a husband to Sara for 26 years, and father to two amazing daughters.

He is Professor of Counseling and Christian Spirituality at Western Theological Seminary in Holland MI. He co-founded Newbigin House of Studies in San Francisco where he serves as a Senior Fellow. During his years pastoring, he started two church-based counseling centers. 

Chuck is an author, having written Leaving Egypt: Finding God in the Wilderness Places, The Toughest People to Love , Wholeheartedness , a Lenten devotional is Falling Into Goodness, and his latest is When Narcissism Comes to Church  where he diagnoses a profound problem in our churches and among our clergy, and offer a way forward.