This conversation was so delightful. I learned so much about Hopi. I loved learning a little about the parallels between Jesus and Satan and some of the Hopi traditions. I loved learning about titles that we use in our church: elder, brother, sister. I loved learning about a sacred family role we can all aspire: the legacy period of our life when we make truths and family history and family time priorities. I loved learning about how to fellowship and minister to others by just inviting and being available. It was a wonderful time on the phone with my new friend, Chuck Kaye.