Mike and guest host Essl interview Austin Kleon about the difference between art and design, and why his books sell so well at Walgreen's.

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139 Church and State

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Mike and Jessie tear terfs a new asshole.

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189 Terf’s Up

Mike and Jessie attempt to counter the mega dumpster fire 2020 managed to achieve in record time by talking about movies and TV. Mostly.

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188 The Happy Episode

We also talk about some other stuff, but seriously, the highlight is Jessie calling Jack Dorsey a pussy and that’s why you’re listening isn’t is?

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187 The Episode Where Jessie Calls Jack Dorsey a Pussy

Mike and Jessie talk about what's going on at Facebook, which — Jesus. It’s a lot. Plus the usual random crap.

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186 Hard to Ride a High Horse From Inside a Snake

Jessie regales Mike with tales of visiting the new artist collective hot spot. Plus, Mike feels weird about something.

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