We're live from Church on the Move in Scenic Tulsa for the Seeds Conference. We talk about intentionality, creativity, and caring enough about the product to make it great. It's not about having the budget COTM has, it's about the desire to do things well.

Guests:

Van Metschke,

Andrew Stone,

Rick Russell,

John David Boreing

Theme song:

But I Play One on TV (I'm Not a Fuzoid) by Norm Stockton from his Tea in the Typhoon album.