Cindy Buckmaster has a PhD in Neurobiology and Behavior and has worked in research and laboratory animal science for nearly 30 years. Cindy is also the host of the Get Real podcast which lays out the facts so you have the power to make informed decisions about the future health of your loved ones - both people and animals.

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Our theme music is 'Wicked Game' by Japanese Heart Software.

You can read a transcript of this episode at Easy for Animals.