Show Notes:

While the cybersecurity industry has expanded and grown in recent years, newcomers still struggle to gain relevant "experience" before officially beginning their cyber careers. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Kathleen Smith, the Chief Outreach Officer at clearedjobs.net and the co-host of Security Cleared Jobs: Who’s Hiring & How, to discuss this dilemma and what new entrants can do to account for these difficulties. Throughout the conversation, Kathleen and Kim will discuss the challenges associated with entry-level cyber positions, how to gain meaningful experience, and how the industry as a whole contributes to this problem.

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Check out a companion ⁠blog post⁠ by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

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Cybersecurity has an identity problem where the industry as a whole is struggling to determine whether it is a trade or a profession. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Larry Whiteside Jr., the Chief Advisory Officer for The CISO Society, to discuss this identity crisis and how the industry as a whole connects to both of these labels. Throughout the conversation, Larry and Kim will discuss the merits and drawbacks of both labels and how cybersecurity does not solely fall into one category or the other.

Check out a companion blog post by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

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The cyber talent ecosystem faces severe indigestion, which has stifled growth and closed doors to new talent. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Ed Adams, the Head of Cybersecurity for North America at the Bureau Veritas Group, to discuss what has caused this indigestion and how leadership can better address these challenges. A key aspect of this conversation revolved around discussing Ed's book, See Yourself in Cyber: Security Careers Beyond Hacking, and how he expands the conversation surrounding traditional roles associated with cybersecurity.

Check out a companion blog post by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals.

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In CISO Perspectives, Kim Jones, a CISO with over four decades of real-world security and risk management experience, sits down with industry leaders throughout this series for candid conversations that share their experiences and perspectives about the cybersecurity industry and the many challenges it faces. Whether it be cybersecurity leadership, talent ecosystems, career entry points, or certifications, these conversations will help you build a stronger and more impactful cyber ecosystem within your organization.

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Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to Caroline Wong, the Chief Strategy Officer at Cobalt to discuss the mechanics of writing a cybersecurity book about AI.

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Rick Howard. Security Metrics, A Beginner’s Guide [Review]. Cybersecurity Canon Project.

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Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to Kevin Magee, the Global Director of Cybersecurity Startups at Microsoft to discuss Cyber-entrepreneurship in the age of CyberAI.

For a complete reading list and even more information, check out Rick’s more detailed essay on the topic.

Andrew McCarty, Emma Eschweiler, Natalie Fratto, Andrew Pardo, Jake Ledbetter, 2024. The Rise of CyberAI [Analysis]. Silicon Valley Bank.

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Steve Morgan, 2022. Cybercrime To Cost The World 8 Trillion Annually In 2023 [Analysis]. Cybercrime Magazine.

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Rick Howard, The CyberWire’s Chief Analyst, CSO, and Senior Fellow, and the cast of the entire CyberWire team, honor our U.S. veterans on this special day.

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Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to William MacMillan, the Chief Product Officer at Andesite, to discuss the Cybersecurity First Principle of automation: current state and what happens now with AI as it applies to SOC Operations.

For a complete reading list and even more information, check out Rick’s more detailed essay on the topic.

Part 1: Election Propaganda Part 1: How Does Election Propaganda Work? In this episode, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses personal defensive measures that every citizen can take—regardless of political philosophy—to resist the influence of propaganda. This foundational episode is essential for understanding how to navigate the complex landscape of election messaging.

Part 2: Election Propaganda: Part 2: Modern propaganda efforts. In preparation for the US 2024 Presidential Election, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses recent international propaganda efforts in the form of nation state interference and influence operations as well as domestic campaigns designed to split the target country into opposing camps. Guests include Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber.

Part 3: Election Propaganda: Part 3: Efforts to reduce the impact of future elections. Thinking past the US 2024 Presidential Election, In part three of the series, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses reducing the impact of propaganda in the future elections with Perry Carpenter, Chief Human Risk Management Strategist at KnowBe4 and host of the 8th Layer Insights Podcast, Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project, and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber.

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Bruce Japsen, 2024. UnitedHealth Group Cyberattack Costs To Hit $2.3 Billion This Year [News]. Forbes.

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Michael Cobb, 2023. The history, evolution and current state of SIEM [Explainer]. TechTarget.

Rick Howard, 2022. History of Infosec: a primer. [Podcast and essay]. The CyberWire - CSO Perspectives.

Rick Howard, 2020. Security operations centers: a first principle idea. [Podcast and Essay]. The CyberWire.

Rick Howard, 2020. SOAR – a first principle idea. [Podcast and Essay]. The CyberWire - CSO Perspectives.

Rick Howard, 2021. XDR: from the Rick the Toolman Series. [Podcast and Essay]. The CyberWire - CSO Perspectives.

Robert Lemos, 2024. SOAR Is Dead, Long Live SOAR [Analysis]. Dark Reading.

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Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to Dr. Rebecca Wynn, the Click Solutions Group Global Chief Security Strategist & CISO. She interviews Justin Daniels, a Baker Donelson lawyer and podcast host with expertise in cyber operations, M&A, and investment capital transactions, on the current state of cyber law and compliance.

Part 1: Election Propaganda Part 1: How Does Election Propaganda Work? In this episode, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses personal defensive measures that every citizen can take—regardless of political philosophy—to resist the influence of propaganda. This foundational episode is essential for understanding how to navigate the complex landscape of election messaging.

Part 2: Election Propaganda: Part 2: Modern propaganda efforts. In preparation for the US 2024 Presidential Election, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses recent international propaganda efforts in the form of nation state interference and influence operations as well as domestic campaigns designed to split the target country into opposing camps. Guests include Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber.

Part 3: Election Propaganda: Part 3: Efforts to reduce the impact of future elections. Thinking past the US 2024 Presidential Election, In part three of the series, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses reducing the impact of propaganda in the future elections with Perry Carpenter, Chief Human Risk Management Strategist at KnowBe4 and host of the 8th Layer Insights Podcast, Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project, and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber.

Tatiana Rice, Keir Lamont, Jordan Francis, 2024. The Colorado Artificial Intelligence Act: An FPF U.S. Legislation Policy Brief [Explainer]. Colorado General Assembly.

Dr Rebecca Wynn. Soulful CXO [Podcast]. Soulful CXO.

Jodi Daniels, Justin Daniels. She Said Privacy/He Said Security [Podcast]. Apple Podcasts.

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Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting responsibilities to Kim Jones, the Managing Director at Ursus Security Consulting. He takes a first principles look at the idea of identity.

Part 1: Election Propaganda Part 1: How Does Election Propaganda Work? In this episode, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses personal defensive measures that every citizen can take—regardless of political philosophy—to resist the influence of propaganda. This foundational episode is essential for understanding how to navigate the complex landscape of election messaging.

Part 2: Election Propaganda: Part 2: Modern propaganda efforts. In preparation for the US 2024 Presidential Election, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses recent international propaganda efforts in the form of nation state interference and influence operations as well as domestic campaigns designed to split the target country into opposing camps. Guests include Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber.

Part 3: Election Propaganda: Part 3: Efforts to reduce the impact of future elections. Thinking past the US 2024 Presidential Election, In part three of the series, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses reducing the impact of propaganda in the future elections with Perry Carpenter, Chief Human Risk Management Strategist at KnowBe4 and host of the 8th Layer Insights Podcast, Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project, and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber.

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Staff, 2023. Federal Bureau of Investigation: Internet Crime Report [Report]. Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3).

Staff, 2024. Data Breach Investigations Report [Report]. Verizon Business.

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