This week Tony sits down with former member of his youth ministry Claire Leo and they talk about what really matters. This was a very personal interview for Tony and that comes through very clearly. Claire grew up as a practicing Catholic and has now become what she terms as "Apathetic". We talk about Claire's love of books, her emo days, her spiritual awakening in high school, and how she drifted away over time. In someways this was the hardest interview we have done to date, but it was also one of the most rewarding.

The game we talk about at the end.

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