In December of 2015, pop singer Taylor Swift donated $50,000 to the Seattle Symphony because she loved their recording of John Luther Adams' 42-minute work, Become Ocean. In this episode, Adams reveals his own pop culture roots, and credits Frank Zappa for getting him into classical music. He talks about his work as an environmentalist, what led him to write Ocean, and swims us through a piece so awesome that critic Alex Ross called it, "the loveliest apocalypse in musical history."

Music in this episode:

• Dark Waves. John Luther Adams
• Ecuatorial. Edgard Varèse.
• Songbirds: Woodthrush. John Luther Adams.
• Become Ocean. John Luther Adams. Performed by the Seattle Symphony.

Audio production by Todd "Swifty" Hulslander with "Blank Space" by Dacia Clay and editing by Mark DiClaudio.