This week I am joined by Clay McLeod Chapman. Both in this interview and out of it, Clay has always been a genuine person. We discuss Wake Up and Open Your Eyes, our discomfort with the state of the world, taking big swings in writing, and how sometimes the stories we are proudest of create the smallest ripples in the proverbial pond.

Catch up with everything Clay at his website: https://www.claymcleodchapman.com/