In this episode we have legendary Robert Uncle Bob Martin come over to talk about Clean Code, professionalism, and courage. We cover:

- the impact of Clean Code on businesses' ability to change software and make money

- management pushback on applying Clean Code practices and how to handle it

- how managers get to the truth and how developers get to the truth

- professionalism, courage to take risk and saying NO despite potentially being fired

- writing tests to reduce risks working with legacy (and not legacy) code

- code ownership and pair programming

- following the code rules you establish

- a rapid questions round

- ask listeners' questions

- and much more