This week Grant and Zoe are joined by Kate Guy, Research Fellow with the Center for Climate and Security (CCS), and Deputy Director of the International Military Council on Climate and Security.  Kate talks about how to think of climate change as a national security issue, what gives her hope when working on such a difficult issue, and Cli-fi.

In the final segment, Zoe talks about the new season of Survivor, Kate talks about Space Porn (not what you are thinking), and Grant talks about the future of Europe.

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