Climate science has many problems. But rather than confronting these issues in open and transparent debate, advocates of climate policies seek to shut down and slander their critics. In this episode, we hear from Marcel Crok, founder of Clintel — Climate Intelligence — a global movement of scientists and others who “aim to be the voice of reason in the often overheated climate debate”. And for many years, Marcel has been urging the Dutch government and others to understand the importance of debate to seemingly science-based policy.